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What is wrong with Calvinism ?

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Depends on who your "Calvinists" were. . .some are in name only. . .seems you got a bad batch of it... and you bought it.
 
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Which is not an effective denial of the logically necessary implications of his doctrine, only a refusal to acknowledge them, which is not a demonstration refuting them, just an undemonstrated assertion.
 
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Depends on who your "Calvinists" were. . .some are in name only. . .seems you got a bad batch of it... and you bought it.
No it’s from pastors all the way down to parishioners. Next fallacy . You are actually proving my points lol.
 
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I also made him the Calvinist boogie man when I was blinded by those doctrines .
I’m so glad Jesus delivered me out of that religious system
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Me too!. . .because it was a load of bunk!. . .not according to Calvin's writings.
 
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No that’s the Calvinists caricature of the man .
No. . .that is the logically necessary consequences of his doctrine. . .which evidently you are unable to see.
 
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Me too!. . .because it was a load of bunk!. . .not according to Calvin's writings.
Calvin like Augustine is the real heretic , not Pelagius . The rigged Roman court of orange made him their scapegoat.
 
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No. . .that is the logically necessary consequences of his doctrine. . .which evidently you are unable to see.
I’m no longer blinded by Calvinism , the stronghold has been removed .
 
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Which is not an effective denial of the logically necessary implications of his doctrine, only a refusal to acknowledge them, which is not a demonstration refuting them, just an undemonstrated assertion.

I hardly know what Pelagius taught. I have just read what people say. But it's not that important anyway. Much more important is what the Early Church Fathers taught about free will. Was it in line with Calvin or more in line with Arminius?
 
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I think that is the same thing "seeing" the kingdom of God and "being" in the kingdom of God.
Previously addressed. . .

However, they are not the same according to the meaning of the language. . .

"seeing" (being acquainted with) and "being in" do not mean the same thing.
 
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Previously addressed. . .

However, they are not the same according to the meaning of the language. . .

"seeing" (being acquainted with) and "being in" do not mean the same thing.

Well, it depends of how the Bible uses the language.

Can I really be acquainted with a car without entering it and driving it?
 
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Calvin like Augustine is the real heretic , not Pelagius . The rigged Roman court of orange made him their scapegoat.
So you believe Pelagius' philosophical free will for fallen man. . .that he is able to make all moral choices, contrary to 1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 8:7-8?

Would you care to address these two Scriptures, being true to their words and their context, as well as NT teaching?
 
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I hardly know what Pelagius taught. I have just read what people say. But it's not that important anyway. Much more important is what the Early Church Fathers taught about free will. Was it in line with Calvin or more in line with Arminius?
I'm not in a position to say, because it matters not to me, what matters to me is what the Scriptures present.
 
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Well, it depends of how the Bible uses the language.
Who made that rule?

The meaning of the Bible depends on the meaning of the language.
Can I really be acquainted with a car without entering it and driving it?
Which is precisely why Jesus says you cannot see (be acquainted with) the kingdom of God unless you are first born again.

And faith and repentance, as well as all spiritual matters relating to God, are of the kingdom of God, thereby putting them out of man's sight and reach until he is born again.
 
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I'm not in a position to say, because it matters not to me, what matters to me is what the Scriptures present.
Where is bondage of the will in the Bible ?

Jesus taught us any man is WILLING let him come and follow Me. Jesus appealed to man’s will and the God given right to choose this day whom you will serve and obey . Free will is assumed is scripture. God made man in His image and free to choose, free to love , free to obey .

Is God free ?
Does God choose ?
Does God have a will ?
 
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Where is bondage of the will in the Bible ?
It's in the chapter after the "sovereignty" of God, and before the "Trinity," somewhere in the area of
"two natures in one person."

Oh, yeah. . .and it is also in Romans 8:7-8; 1 Corinthians 2:14.
 
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So much for the false doctrines on the human will choice of man .

oh ya and where is this assumed nature change after the fall, got scripture? Why did God not mention it , why was Cain able to talk with God ?

so much for the fallen nature idea eh that cannot communicate or respond to God.

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