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What is wrong with Calvinism ?

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He cannot and is incapable of changing His mind . The things they come up with are very unbiblical . God has gone on record saying He has changed His mind , things never entered His mind and that He did not cause Judah to sin . All things which are in opposition to Calvinism.

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I think it's obvious if God tells us to do something, it is possible for us to steer our will to do it.

Just curious, what's the main reason you left Calvinism?
 
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I think it's obvious if God tells us to do something, it is possible for us to steer our will to do it.

Just curious, what's the main reason you left Calvinism?
I listed several of them in the OP. Another reason is how I was being treated by Calvinists I had known for years that were my “ best friends “ while I was on their team but as soon as I started questioning their beliefs the personal attacked never stopped . The forum I had been a supporter of for 20 years as a Calvinist and was not banned ever. Now over the last 6 months bans me every time I’m reinstated the same day just for challenging them . And I’m a much nicer/ kinder poster now lol . I’m not a quitter so until they make it permanently I will continue . I know three other former Calvinists that have watched this happen and because of it have also left Calvinism and it’s aberrant doctrines .
 
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As I've stated before, I don't do "ism's," I do Scripture.
So I will evaluate according to Scripture what you present.
So let me spell this out one more time with Scripture, the Bible.
The Spirit comes after faith, confession, repentance.
Not according to John 3:3-8, where one cannot know or be acquainted with the kingdom of God; i.e.,
the divine spiritual realm unless he is born again.
The rebirth must come before everything else.
Anyone granted eyes to see knows the order below and scripture is consistent in both testaments. The Spirit comes after believe, receive, confess, repent etc.......
Actually, the OT revelation is not complete, it is completed in the NT revelation.
The OT is the NT concealed, the NT is the OT revealed.

OT revelation is to be understood in the light of the completed NT revelation.
John 3:3-8, NT completed revelation, is the light in which the OT revelation of Ezekiel 18:30-32 is to be understood.
Where does it state below that "receive" was necessarily the first step?
All it does is present the relation of reception to belief, and does not exclude the other steps prior, per John 3:3-8, where rebirth precedes and is essential for everything else.

And you miss what is actually being presented there:
1) our right to co-heirs in Christ's personal inheritance, a right because we are (legally) adopted sons, with all the rights of a begotten son, and
2) no human decision is involved in our being born of God; i.e., our rebirth, just as Jesus states in John 3:3-8.
In the context of Galatians 3, is Paul presenting regeneration by faith, or
is Paul presenting justification by faith, in contrast to justification by law keeping (Galatians 3:16)?
And is he using "faith" in relation to regeneration, or in relation to justification?
Is his point there regarding faith not about receiving the Spirit by faith instead of by law keeping,
rather than receiving regeneration by faith?

Paul is not presenting an order of regeneration there, where regeneration begins with faith unpreceded by anything else, contrary to John 1:13, John 3:3-8.
James and Peter have the same exact order in James 1:18 , 1 Peter 1:23.
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 4:15, "for in Christ Jesus through the gospel I begat you,"
which is to say there, as is said in James and Peter above, that in the presence of the word proclaimed, the Holy Spirit regenerates one's spirit, giving one to hear the word in truth and in power, to receive it and to believe it.
None of which excludes the rebirth before being able to receive it, which exclusion is simply your presumption, contrary to Jesus in John 1:13, John 3:3-8.
See how scripture is consistent when you do not read your doctrine into it but read it objectively, without bias ?

Summary of The Biblical order- notice where new life, regeneration is on the list from Scripture.
With only your assumption that it is not the first thing that must happen, as Jesus presents in
John 3:3-8.
You set Scripture against itself with your assumptions, but not with Scripture itself, which is clear on the matter in John 3:3-8, and in agreement with all Scripture.
1- the preaching of the gospel- Rom 10
2- the hearing of the gospel- Rom 10
3- belief in the gospel- John 1:12
4- receiving the gospel- John 1:12
5- repentance Luke 5:32
6- the new birth that results in #7
7- salvation, eternal life- John 1:13
8- Justification- Rom 8:30
9- Sanctification- Rom 8
10- Glorification Rom 8:30
conclusion : the Spirit comes after faith , belief, receiving, repentance, confession, not before.
Not when Scripture is understood in its context, and in agreement with itself in John 3:3-8,
as demonstrated above.
 
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The problem is not with Romans 9, the problem is with what place you give to such places in the context of 1000 pages of the Bible.

Its out of balance.
Where is this "balance" presented in Scripture that we must achieve?
And who/what is the measure of this balance?
 
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John 3:3-8 doesn't mention faith. We know we need to be born again to be saved. It's hard to draw much more about it from that text.
 
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Like "free will"?

I'm thinking the terms you are using are also not in the Bible. . .
 
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Like "free will"?

I'm thinking the terms you are using are also not in the Bible. . .

I don't think he meant that. I think he meant that those things are not taught by the Bible.
 
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John 3:3-8 doesn't mention faith.
Agreed. . .relevance?
We know we need to be born again to be saved.
It's hard to draw much more about it from that text.
Depends. . .

Not if you understand "no one can see" the kingdom of God.

According to John 3:3-8, you must be born again to even see, much less do, anything spiritual.
 
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John 3:3-8 doesn't mention faith. We know we need to be born again to be saved. It's hard to draw much more about it from that text.
Correct it was eisegesis on his part .
 
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Correct it was eisegesis on his part .
Or. . .not presuming an exclusion which Scripture does not state, and which exclusion is denied in
John 3:3-8.
 
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Agreed. . .relevance?

Not if you understand "no one can see" the kingdom of God.

According to John 3:3-8, you must be born again to even see, much less do, anything spiritual.

Do you understand that to see the kingdom of God, means see life, to be saved.

Compare:

He who believes in the Son has eternal life (sees the kingdom); but he who does not obey the Son will not see life - horaó -(will not see the kingdom), but the wrath of God abides on him.”
— John 3:36

Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see - horaó - the kingdom of God
(cannot see life, is not saved, the wrath of God abides on him).”
— John 3:3
 
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Or. . .not presuming exclusion which Scripture does not state, and which exclusion is denied in
John 3:3-8.
Where is faith mentioned ?

1 Peter 1:23, John 1:12-13 , Ephesians 1:13 and James 1:18 refute your position on John 3.

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Relevance: Depending on how you use the word faith, faith might come before the rebirth.
In relation to regeneration and salvation, there is only one meaning of faith in the NT--belief in and trust on the person and atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sin and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty," declared righteous (justified) with the imputed/credited/reckoned righteousness of Jesus Christ (Romans 1:17, Romans 3:21-24), just as by faith righteousness was imputed/credited/reckoned to Abraham (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3).
You're confusing "seeing" (knowing, being acquainted with) the kingdom of God
with "being" in the kingdom of God.
 
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You're confusing "seeing" (knowing, being acquainted with) the kingdom of God with "being" in the kingdom of God.

Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom (be acquainted with, know life) of God.” (but the wrath of God abides on him)
— John 3:3

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
— John 3:36
 
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No faith no salvation , no birth , no eternal life , no kingdom of God, Christ , Heaven etc …

Are you claiming one can be saved apart from faith ?

Do you deny the 5 solas ?

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You're confusing "seeing" (knowing, being acquainted with)
the kingdom of God with "being" in the kingdom of God.
Non-responsive. . .

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Non-responsive. . .

Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”
— John 8:51


I think you are the one that confuses things.
 
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