What is "walking in the light"?

[Vanellus]

Yeah, we do have Paul saying, "let every one that nameth the name of the Christ
to depart from inquity" just as we also have Jesus saying to them (that name his name) who haven't, "I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity"

Paul teaching that Christians shouldn't sin - so your point is what?

The first part of that verse is: The Lord knows those who are his

which reinforces my argument.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Paul teaching that Christians shouldn't sin - so your point is what?

The first part of that verse is: The Lord knows those who are his

which reinforces my argument.

The both verses I was going off link to the foundation (2Ti 2:10 & Mat 7:23 & 24)

Not sure why you ask what my point was while going on to tell me something I had posted has reinforced your argument.

Edit: typo

 

[Davy]

That's a parable. It doesn't mean the "servants" are understood to be Christians!
It's a story about everyday life in the NT era that has a message FOR Christians. It doesn't have to be about Christians.

Well, that's one way to do a denial of Christ's warning to HIS servants by that parable. I guess then none... of those parables in Matthew 25 were meant for His Church, not even the first one there about the 10 virgins with their lamps and the Oil too.

Nah, that parable of the talents is FOR and about Christ's servants.

Assuming the Jews at that time were the only ones that was directed at is a bogus idea dreamed up by those who wrongly think only Apostle Paul's Epistles apply to Christ's Church.

 

[Vanellus]

Well, that's one way to do a denial of Christ's warning to HIS servants by that parable. I guess then none... of those parables in Matthew 25 were meant for His Church, not even the first one there about the 10 virgins with their lamps and the Oil too.

Nah, that parable of the talents is FOR and about Christ's servants.

Assuming the Jews at that time were the only ones that was directed at is a bogus idea dreamed up by those who wrongly think only Apostle Paul's Epistles apply to Christ's Church.

So I write
"It's a story about everyday life in the NT era that has a message FOR Christians"
and you write
"I guess then none... of those parables in Matthew 25 were meant for His Church"

Davy, if you're not going to respond to what I actually write, but rather prefer to respond to your own inventions of what you prefer to me have written, then this discussion has no sensible future does it!

 

[sunshineforJesus]

walking in the light means walking in the light of Gods salvation.

 

[Vanellus]

So is this a rhetorical question that you answered yourself or are we supposed to answer it?

How about neither!
I was simply sharing my thoughts on a passage in the Bible. People can respond to it as they wish. I don't "suppose" any particular response.

It's not clear from your post what you suppose any "question" in the OP is supposed to be.

 

[Vanellus]

The both verses I was going off link to the foundation (2Ti 2:10 & Mat 7:23 & 24)

Not sure why you ask what my point was while going on to tell me something I had posted has reinforced your argument.

Edit: typo

Because I think you did not appreciate that the first part of that verse you quoted reinforced my point at the time you wrote that post.

 

[Jaxxi]

How about neither!
I was simply sharing my thoughts on a passage in the Bible. People can respond to it as they wish. I don't "suppose" any particular response.

It's not clear from your post what you suppose any "question" in the OP is supposed to be.

I was just asking because you ask what is walking in the light and then you answer your own question and for most of us it is pretty obvious what " walking in the light" is so you aren't really telling us anything we don't know. I was just wondering what the purpose of the post was. To show off your new knowledge? Or to inform us of the obvious? Were you looking for answers? Or you just wanted us to read your findings?

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Because I think you did not appreciate that the first part of that verse you quoted reinforced my point at the time you wrote that post.

What point were you making, and on what post are you referring to concerning this point of yours?

Why would you feel I did not appreciate the very verse I quoted?

 

[Vanellus]

I was just asking because you ask what is walking in the light and then you answer your own question and for most of us it is pretty obvious what " walking in the light" is so you aren't really telling us anything we don't know. I was just wondering what the purpose of the post was. To show off your new knowledge? Or to inform us of the obvious? Were you looking for answers? Or you just wanted us to read your findings?

i was sharing my own thoughts on the passage for anyone who might appreciate them.

If it's all so obvious to you then why did you bother to respond?

And who do you mean by "we" and "us"? Are you writing on behalf of a group of people? If so who are they?

And given that "walking in the light" is so obvious one wonders why there are so many sermons on the subject.

Search: walking in the light | SermonAudio

The question is intended to look further than a mere dictionary definition e.g. what does walking in the light entail for the Christian? Hence all those sermons.

 

[Vanellus]

What point were you making, and on what post are you referring to concerning this point of yours?

Post #37
"Your (i.e. Davy's) assertion "Those are definitely believers on Jesus" and Jesus saying "I never knew" them are contradictions."
Whereas God said in the part of the verse you omitted: The Lord knows those who are his
Hence people whom God "never knew" cannot be Christians contra Davy's wrong assertion.

Why would you feel I did not appreciate the very verse I quoted?
Because you only quoted part of the verse

Answers interleaved in the quote above.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Answers interleaved in the quote above.

I quoted half the verses so someone could look for themselves, because in the both of them is Jesus either not knowing them (those who name his name, who say, "Lord Lord") while working iniquity or Jesus knowing them that are his (who also name his name) and the warning for those who do to depart from working iniquity.

Matt 7: 22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And what He would profess to them who name his name (and what for reason he would)

Mat 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity.

Even as Paul warns them who name His name (as those in the above were doing) to depart from iniquity here

2 Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity

Paul keenly aware of what Jesus would say at that day to many which had done those things in his name (while working iniquity).

Again, Paul's advice

Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity

Versus those who do not depart from workin iniquity (while naming his name) again here

Matt 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity.

Regardless of Christ not knowing those in the above (while they name his name and continue to work iniquity) we can know the following.

2 Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity

So it shows us in the one, Paul warning those who name his name are to depart from iniquity while in the other there are those who do name his name but are told to depart from him ye that work it.

You could look up the verses

 

[Jaxxi]

i was sharing my own thoughts on the passage for anyone who might appreciate them.

If it's all so obvious to you then why did you bother to respond?

And who do you mean by "we" and "us"? Are you writing on behalf of a group of people? If so who are they?

And given that "walking in the light" is so obvious one wonders why there are so many sermons on the subject.

Search: walking in the light | SermonAudio

The question is intended to look further than a mere dictionary definition e.g. what does walking in the light entail for the Christian? Hence all those sermons.

You don't have to be so defensive. Without quoting from the Bible off the top of my head wouldn't walking in the light be living your life as if in the presence of Jesus Christ at all times, acting in truth and responding with love and patience? Wouldn't it be doing your daily chores during the day, and not doing day things at night because it is safer for you? It is also putting all you do under a microscope for the world to see, and being the light because if you are of the light you cannot go to hell because there is no light in hell. Walking in the light is in the presence of the Lord. How was that?

 

[Vanellus]

You don't have to be so defensive. Without quoting from the Bible off the top of my head wouldn't walking in the light be living your life as if in the presence of Jesus Christ at all times, acting in truth and responding with love and patience? Wouldn't it be doing your daily chores during the day, and not doing day things at night because it is safer for you? It is also putting all you do under a microscope for the world to see, and being the light because if you are of the light you cannot go to hell because there is no light in hell. Walking in the light is in the presence of the Lord. How was that?

That's a dictionary style definition with a few examples. I think you'll find at least some of those sermons (there are whole books as well!) go further. And as I wrote before, if that's all there is to it why are there so many sermons and books on the subject - according to what you seem to think aren't they a waste of time and effort?

You didn't respond to these questiohs:

If it's all so obvious to you then why did you bother to respond? (to the OP)

And who do you mean by "we" and "us"? Are you writing on behalf of a group of people? If so who are they?

 

[Vanellus]

I quoted half the verses so someone could look for themselves, because in the both of them is Jesus either not knowing them (those who name his name, who say, "Lord Lord") while working iniquity or Jesus knowing them that are his (who also name his name) and the warning for those who do to depart from working iniquity.

Matt 7: 22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And what He would profess to them who name his name (and what for reason he would)


Mat 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity.

Even as Paul warns them who name His name (as those in the above were doing) to depart from iniquity here

2 Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity

Paul keenly aware of what Jesus would say at that day to many which had done those things in his name (while working iniquity).

Again, Paul's advice

Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity

Versus those who do not depart from workin iniquity (while naming his name) again here

Matt 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity.

Regardless of Christ not knowing those in the above (while they name his name and continue to work iniquity) we can know the following.

2 Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity

So it shows us in the one, Paul warning those who name his name are to depart from iniquity while in the other there are those who do name his name but are told to depart from him ye that work it.

You could look up the verses

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!

So do you agree with Davy that the people described here are Christians or not?
Your "yeah" in post #39 suggests you do

Oh, those certainly are... believers on Christ Jesus. It's silly to think otherwise, because just who else would be casting out demons in Christ's Name, prophesy (teach) in Christ's Name, and done many wonderful works in Christ's Name??? Duh!

Note what I wrote in post #40 that there were Jewish exorcists casting out demons in Jesus' name at the time of Jesus' ministry on earth.

 

[Davy]

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!

So do you agree with Davy that the people described here are Christians or not?
Your "yeah" in post #39 suggests you do


Note what I wrote in post #40 that there were Jewish exorcists casting out demons in Jesus' name at the time of Jesus' ministry on earth.

Do you know what that word "prophesy" there means?

NT:4395
propheteuo (prof-ate-yoo'-o); from NT:4396; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office:

KJV - prophesy.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

That means they were... among Jesus' disciples, and not unbelieving Jews. To prophesy means to 'teach' under divine inspiration. That does not happen with a non-believer who simply uses Jesus' name, which is a category you're trying to create, or those you listen to have created.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!

So do you agree with Davy that the people described here are Christians or not?
Your "yeah" in post #39 suggests you do


Note what I wrote in post #40 that there were Jewish exorcists casting out demons in Jesus' name at the time of Jesus' ministry on earth.

What I agree with is that they come in Jesus name (just as Jesus declared they would do, saying "in your name", "in your name", "in your name") who I would count as false brethren because as Jesus stated they must depart from him for they work iniquity.

And yes I am aware of Jewish exorcists trying to cast out evil spirits using Jesus name (who Paul preaches) there but I don't really see them doing that.

The evil spirit does not even know them

Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

Acts 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

It seems more like the evil spirit drove them out of the house rather then them driving out any devils there.

The name of the Lord Jesus was magnified through their own failure to do so

Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know...

Same here...

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?

The one possessed with the devil, that reccognized Jesus was in the end of the experience sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind, praying Jesus that he might be with him.

Not so here where the evil spirit did not know the one calling over Jesus name

Acts 19:6 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Although in both pictures the people that witnessed or heard of both were all afraid, regardless.

 

[Vanellus]

What I agree with is that they come in Jesus name (just as Jesus declared they would do, saying "in your name", "in your name", "in your name") who I would count as false brethren because as Jesus stated they must depart from him for they work iniquity.

And yes I am aware of Jewish exorcists trying to cast out evil spirits using Jesus name (who Paul preaches) there but I don't really see them doing that.

The evil spirit does not even know them

Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

Acts 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

It seems more like the evil spirit drove them out of the house rather then them driving out any devils there.

The name of the Lord Jesus was magnified through their own failure to do so

Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know...

Same here...

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?

The one possessed with the devil, that reccognized Jesus was in the end of the experience sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind, praying Jesus that he might be with him.

Not so here where the evil spirit did not know the one calling over Jesus name

Acts 19:6 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Although in both pictures the people that witnessed or heard of both were all afraid, regardless.

Was that a yes or a no?

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Was that a yes or a no?

I actually agree with Jesus, but you did not give that option, you made it more about you and Davy for some reason.

 

[Vanellus]

I actually agree with Jesus, but you did not give that option, you made it more about you and Davy for some reason.

So do you think the people described in Mt 7:21-23 are Christians or not?
A simple yes or no will answer the question.