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What is the relationship with Jesus?

I have considered myself a Christian on and off for years. In the past, it has been just stubborn figuring I can live without Christ. There are, after all more non-Christians than Christians ( even if every single "Christian" is a real Christian. You know that to be false and I know that to be false.

This time is different I KNOW I need something, but just what is this relationship and how does it change life? I do not see how it will change anything. I will still be in the same conditions ( If you want more on that PM me.) I do know that I WANT and NEED out of this pain and Christians say that Jesus does that.

What is this relationship? How does it work? I have recently started listening to Christian music each day and have been reading short devotionals for quite some time. I go to church each Sunday, as well.
 

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What is the relationship with Jesus?

The following link may be helpful to you~~~> What does it mean to have a personal relationship with God? .

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I have considered myself a Christian on and off for years. In the past, it has been just stubborn figuring I can live without Christ. There are, after all more non-Christians than Christians ( even if every single "Christian" is a real Christian. You know that to be false and I know that to be false.

This time is different I KNOW I need something, but just what is this relationship and how does it change life? I do not see how it will change anything. I will still be in the same conditions ( If you want more on that PM me.) I do know that I WANT and NEED out of this pain and Christians say that Jesus does that.

What is this relationship? How does it work? I have recently started listening to Christian music each day and have been reading short devotionals for quite some time. I go to church each Sunday, as well.

You considered yourself a Christian? Certainly, I don't know you, your church, nor what your church teaches about salvation/becoming a Christian, but I do know what the Bible teaches about it. In Mark 1:15, Jesus said, "repent and believe the gospel." Repent means to change your mind and the gospel is the 'death, burial & resurrection' of Jesus. So to be saved, we are to change our mind about Jesus and believe in His gospel.

Romans 10:9-10, 13(NLT) tells us,
9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.

13 For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

dogs4thewin, if you have not followed what the Bible says here, about being saved, then I would urge you to do so, to become a Christian and be a part of God's family.

If you have followed what the Bible says here, about being saved, then you are saved. God does not lie and the Bible is His Word, so if you follow what the Bible says about being saved, then take God at His Word and trust Him to do what He said He will do, you are saved. It's not a feeling, its a fact. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
 
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Hi again dogs4thewin;

Every one of us is unique even though God is always the same, so each of us will have different experiences with God through the same Spirit we receive through faith in Jesus Christ. I say this because I don't think you should expect the exact same experience as me or anyone else, yet I am confident that God will communicate His presence to you if you seek Him in faith.

For me, it all started with the Bible. I absolutely love to read, but I had never looked into religion in any way. When I was 27 my mom and dad got saved and bought me a Bible for Christmas... they didn't make a big deal out of it, but they did encourage me to read it. Being the avid reader that I was, I read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation in a very short time. As I often did, once I finished it I re-read it. Usually, this would be the end of it and the book would sit on a shelf for years before being picked up again, if ever... but something compelled me, something I couldn't put my finger on, to continue to read the Bible. Over and over again. I didn't have much human interaction at the time, and no one encouraged me or discouraged me (aside from the occasional smile or grimace/rolling of the eyes I received when someone noticed I was reading the Bible in a public place).

As I continued to read, it became clear to me that the Bible was no ordinary book, it claimed to be the very word of God. I had all kinds of questions and things I didn't understand, but I was such an introverted loner that I couldn't bring myself to ask anyone these questions. So I turned to the radio while at work... I soon found a radio station that broadcast pastors teaching through the Bible verse by verse, book by book, a different pastor every half hour. I listened to it all the time, and it was amazing how God used this station... as I read something I didn't understand, or a question or objection would rise up about something, within a few days one of those pastors would be teaching about the very things that troubled me, providing the answer I needed.

This went on for about a year or more, and I gradually became convinced that what the Bible said was true. Finally, one night while I was working (I worked alone at the time) one of those pastors on the radio presented the gospel, and there at work I got on my knees and accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I felt a great sense of relief, but nothing I would call spiritual, yet I am confident that I was saved that night.

So I continued on reading the Bible, listening to the radio, and praying, but I soon became sure that I needed to begin actually reaching out to other Christians. So I went to this really big church in town, and shortly after starting there I got baptized. When I was baptized, it was done before the congregation which numbered at least 500-600 people, and I was given a chance to say something to the congregation by the pastor. I had always been terrified of public speaking, yet God gave me the courage to speak that night in a clear and eloquent way, saying something that I now know the church desperately needed to hear. I still didn't feel anything that I would call spiritual, but I am sure that this is the first time that God's Spirit worked through me.

After a few months going there, I felt uncomfortable simply because the church was so big, with so many people there every Sunday... being the introverted, socially challenged cave dweller that I was, I felt the need to find a smaller church. At that time, I discovered that there was a church in the area that was affiliated with the radio station I had been listening to, so I went there for a midweek Bible study. As I was walking up the steps to the church, I felt a pure, clean, liquid white light rising up in my heart (it's the best I can explain it), and a quiet voice in my head said to me "This is home".

From that point on, that pure, clean, liquid white light feeling in my heart rose up in me whenever I prayed, no matter whether I was alone in my car driving around or sitting with other Christians in a prayer meeting. And more and more I experienced a still, small voice in my mind telling me things I needed to hear... so many times I learned things from that voice that there was no way I could know.

My story keeps going, but I wanted to share these things for you, so you can see how my relationship with God first developed. It all starts with believing that God is who He says He is and seeking Him consistently and sincerely, as Hebrews tells us:

Heb 11:6 NIV And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

I hope this helps you to get started.
 
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What is the relationship with Jesus?

I'm not sure.

Talk of having a "personal relationship" with Jesus is more common in evangelical circles. It seems to be associated with rejecting aspects of the Christian religion (with religion often treated as a dirty word), & instead seeking an emotional experience very individually centered.

Rather, the Christian is called into a corporate relationship - the Church. In baptism we are "born again" & marked as Christ's own. We receive the Eucharist/communion, another grace. We pray. We work together to set things right in the world.

This time is different I KNOW I need something, but just what is this relationship and how does it change life? I do not see how it will change anything. I will still be in the same conditions ( If you want more on that PM me.) I do know that I WANT and NEED out of this pain and Christians say that Jesus does that.

Following Jesus doesn't guarantee a life without pain. As long as we live, we will all experience pain, sickness, & death. But we hope in the resurrection, knowing God extends grace to us now & His Kingdom will be fully realized - pain & death gone.
 
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I'm not sure.

Talk of having a "personal relationship" with Jesus is more common in evangelical circles. It seems to be associated with rejecting aspects of the Christian religion (with religion often treated as a dirty word), & instead seeking an emotional experience very individually centered.

Rather, the Christian is called into a corporate relationship - the Church. In baptism we are "born again" & marked as Christ's own. We receive the Eucharist/communion, another grace. We pray. We work together to set things right in the world.



Following Jesus doesn't guarantee a life without pain. As long as we live, we will all experience pain, sickness, & death. But we hope in the resurrection, knowing God extends grace to us now & His Kingdom will be fully realized - pain & death gone.
I realize that Christians still have pain, but I have noticed that they seem to have them I do not know peace or always talking about how God knows and is in control. I know that the pain will not just go away; because as I said I realize that being a Christian will not just change my situation since my family claims Christ and we are all in the situation. That and the fact that ( and I am not saying you said I was) but I am not stupid.
 
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If one has a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus as dwelling in their heart they will experience the truth of "relationship"; otherwise, they only have a religion at best, and that is only academic. God is not lying when He states He will "come and make our abode" with the true believer ---that is the new birth, which is required for salvation.

One can continue pondering how that can be, or they can confess their sinful nature, as God requires, and receive His beloved Son (note John 14:23 ---in fact should read ALL of John 14; and see 1 Jn. 5:11-12). I recommend one take God at His Word and stop speculating and wondering about it all. Standing in the righteousness of God by being "born again" by the Spirit is a wondrous and blessed life which will give REAL peace. Please don't wait until tomorrow or you may not be here, and thus cannot be saved, friend.

Write me at PM if you are a sincere seeker.
 
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I'm not sure.

Talk of having a "personal relationship" with Jesus is more common in evangelical circles. It seems to be associated with rejecting aspects of the Christian religion (with religion often treated as a dirty word), & instead seeking an emotional experience very individually centered.

Rather, the Christian is called into a corporate relationship - the Church. In baptism we are "born again" & marked as Christ's own. We receive the Eucharist/communion, another grace. We pray. We work together to set things right in the world.



Following Jesus doesn't guarantee a life without pain. As long as we live, we will all experience pain, sickness, & death. But we hope in the resurrection, knowing God extends grace to us now & His Kingdom will be fully realized - pain & death gone.

This.

The language of "a personal relationship with God/Jesus" is a rather unique feature of our post-Enlightenment world which values, above all else, the individual. It tends to treat Christianity in a highly individualistic way. As such it has largely retreated away from Christianity as an historic religion of community, a religion of Word and Sacrament, a religion of the Church; and has instead focuses on the individual's spiritual experiences in and unto themselves.

It's the only way that the buzzwords, "It's not a religion, it's a relationship" are able to come out of a Christian mouth. By decentralizing Christianity away from the primacy of God's preached and active Word within the structures of the corporate Christian body--the Church--and toward an interior, privatized, spiritual life that revolves around "me and Jesus".

With that said, Christianity isn't about a "personal relationship with Jesus/God". Christianity is about the God of Israel, the good Creator of all things, condescending, becoming man, in the Person of Jesus the Christ. By Whom and through Whom God is reconciling and redeeming the world--the whole of creation. It is about the Crucified and Risen Jesus, in Whom all the sins of the world are forgiven, and by which the reign and rule of God has come to us; to take hold of us in His mercy, joining us to His Son through the Gospel, in Baptism, in the Eucharist, and sharing with us not only the gift of His reign and rule, but offers to us the privilege to be a people who speak this Gospel to the world, this Gospel of what God has done and is doing and will do for the world. That what God has done in Jesus God is going to do for the whole world. That's the Gospel. That is the Word which this baptized, communing community of redeemed sinners proclaims to and for the world.

It's not about "me and Jesus" it's about "we and Jesus".

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Since I have been a Christian for years, I believe it is so integral that I don't have a good point of reference of non-Christianity to compare it to. There was a time when I did not believe the Gospel was true, at least for me, and that felt very dark and cold. But I was screwed up in those days too (God has since brought me a very long way from that).

The desired relationship with God as described in the Bible as: "I will be their (your) God, and they (you) will be my people." That isn't very descriptive, unfortunately. What I can tell you that is more practical for life in this world is this: That Jesus himself made peace, and therefore a (positive) relationship with God is possible. When peace is brokered between two conflicting parties, that relationship officially goes from in the negative numbers to zero. God lavishes his love on us, but closeness to God must be built over time. Consider that every human relationship must have at least three things: Trust, acts to bring you closer, and communication. Jesus said in John 14:21, ""He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him." Obedience is the group of acts that bring us closer to God. You demonstrate friendship to a friend, that friend grows closer. When the Christian obeys God, God himself draws closer. And it all becomes more natural to the Christian over time - keep going in that direction, and the closer you get.

Concerning trust, this is manifested in the relationship with God as faith. Concerning communication, this is manifested in the relationship with God as prayer. The relationship is not without religion, contrary to an overused Evangelical catch-phrase that falsely defines religion. Yet we are not in a works-based system anymore, since Christ brought us into God's family by his death and resurrection; if anyone thinks it's about obeying God well enough to stay out of the fires of Hell, that person is way off-target.

Let me know if I need to clarify anything.
 
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I realize that Christians still have pain, but I have noticed that they seem to have them I do not know peace or always talking about how God knows and is in control. I know that the pain will not just go away; because as I said I realize that being a Christian will not just change my situation since my family claims Christ and we are all in the situation. That and the fact that ( and I am not saying you said I was) but I am not stupid.

No worries, I don't think you're stupid. :)

I think being a Christian can bring a certain peace in times of pain, but my initial concern in answering was that some churches talk about guaranteed "wealth & health" just for believing in Jesus, which is a false hope. I also intensely dislike it when some Christians claim "God is in control." A world where God is in control does not include pain, or cancer, or hunger, or death.

But one day, He will be in control. His Kingdom realized will not include those things. Our hope rests in what God has done for us, what He's doing in us now in the world, & what He will do when all things are made whole & new.
 
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What about those Christians who seem to think certain sinners are like less than human?
No worries, I don't think you're stupid. :)

I think being a Christian can bring a certain peace in times of pain, but my initial concern in answering was that some churches talk about guaranteed "wealth & health" just for believing in Jesus, which is a false hope. I also intensely dislike it when some Christians claim "God is in control." A world where God is in control does not include pain, or cancer, or hunger, or death.

But one day, He will be in control. His Kingdom realized will not include those things. Our hope rests in what God has done for us, what He's doing in us now in the world, & what He will do when all things are made whole & new.
 
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What about those Christians who seem to think certain sinners are like less than human?

No Christian should think this whatever our faith tradition is.
 
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No Christian should think this whatever our faith tradition is.
I noticed that Homosexuality ( not that I am promoting it as that breaks CF rules), but that certain Christians seem to think that that is like less than human or certain Christians seem to think about certain other sins.
 
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I noticed that Homosexuality ( not that I am promoting it as that breaks CF rules), but that certain Christians seem to think that that is like less than human or certain Christians seem to think about certain other sins.

Whatever one thinks of the sin, it does not change the fact that the sinner is still human. While murder is the gravest sin, the murderer is still human. I am not equating homosexuality with murder of course but providing an extreme example to show that we must be careful to discern a human being committing a sin opposed to the sin itself. Since heterosexual adultery is also a sin, that could also be applied to your statement re homosexuality, sin & humanity.
 
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I noticed that Homosexuality ( not that I am promoting it as that breaks CF rules), but that certain Christians seem to think that that is like less than human or certain Christians seem to think about certain other sins.

It matters not, what any person, Christian or not, thinks about sin. It only matters what God thinks about sin and the Bible tells us that God hates sin (Proverbs 6:16-19), and that sin, all sin, leads to death (Romans 6:23).
 
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I noticed that Homosexuality ( not that I am promoting it as that breaks CF rules), but that certain Christians seem to think that that is like less than human or certain Christians seem to think about certain other sins.

Many Christians do not think homosexuality and/or being in a same-sex relationship is inherently sinful, but as noted that's about as far as the conversation can go due to CF's rules.

I do think there are some churches and/or individuals fixated on the condemnation of LGBT people in the US. The culture changed very quickly, & I think some of the vitriol is reactionary - as if anything pertaining to this group of people (I.e. Legalizing SSM, affirming gays in a church, etc) is the "last straw" regarding morality.
 
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I noticed that Homosexuality ( not that I am promoting it as that breaks CF rules), but that certain Christians seem to think that that is like less than human or certain Christians seem to think about certain other sins.

Don't let what other Christians think stop you from receiving God's grace and trusting that your sins were forgiven on the cross.
 
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I noticed that Homosexuality ( not that I am promoting it as that breaks CF rules), but that certain Christians seem to think that that is like less than human or certain Christians seem to think about certain other sins.

To be Biblically accurate, that sin does not make you less than human, it's just sinful. Heck, there is nothing that can make you less than human, to be Biblically accurate. Any Christian who thinks otherwise is in error, and quite possibly in grave sin (depending on what is done with the notion).
 
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What is the relationship with Jesus?
It is to recognize that He is real, alive and accessible, and to regard Him that way. Notice that He does not stand before us in a physical body, so communication is not always by words audible sound waves and light bouncing off skin to reveal personality, but I don't doubt that it can be. (see the meaning of Hebrews 13:2 in the context of Luke 24:13-35).

But, keep in mind that the relationship with God is with God Himself and not only Jesus. As Jesus is a human being, He also always spoke of His submission and relationship with God as "The Father" and "My Father". Jesus had a relationship with God. Imagine what that must have been like, and whether you think you might not be able to have the same sort of relationship with Him. Jesus exercised trust, willingness, resisted temptation etc, all activities of a person who is living according to their faith in God. Many people don't know how to reconcile the fact that Jesus is the son of God, yet doesn't have complete knowledge. To put it simply, He had a brain, which had a beginning. A brain that begins must learn, and the scriptures demonstrate that He did behave that way. Where He got His special omniscience from is His faultless faith in God. We naturally struggle with that. This is what makes Him a very unique human.

You must surely remember this:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’

Q: What does it mean to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind?
 
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I noticed that Homosexuality ( not that I am promoting it as that breaks CF rules), but that certain Christians seem to think that that is like less than human or certain Christians seem to think about certain other sins.

There are a lot of people who are uncomfortable with homosexuality, and there are probably more Christians that are like that than I would care to admit... but I think most Christians would say that homosexuality is a sin much like the other habitual, life defining sins mentioned specifically, like chronic liars, kleptomaniacs, chronic drunks, etc. These are states of being that will keep a soul separated from God as they define who we are (when it is Christ who should define us), they are more than just the occasional slip. It is one thing to sin by taking something from someone else, it is quite another thing to identify myself as a thief and have no desire to stop being one. It is also an issue that gets a lot of attention right now because there is an ongoing debate within western Christianity as to whether it should even be considered a sin at all, which revolves around a deeper rift over the authority of the Bible. People have very strong feelings about how to view these issues, and that mixed with many people's uncomfortableness with homosexuality have led to some very ungodly and unloving things being said and done, to our shame, but does not accurately reflect how God would have us act as Christians.

I hope that helps you put some of what you've heard in context.

I feel bad for people who struggle with same sex attraction, because they are hearing quite a bit about how horrible their sin is due to the ongoing debate, but not hearing very much about how God loves them and wants them to be reconciled to Himself through Christ. If you know someone who is struggling with this, say a prayer for them.
 
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