What Is The Rosary Really All About?

[Lynn73]

No, she is not a mediator. Only in the mind of Catholicism. See 1 Timothy 2:5. The Bible doesn't teach any such thing.

 

[Isaiah 53]

No, she is not a mediator. Only in the mind of Catholicism. See 1 Timothy 2:5. The Bible doesn't teach any such thing.

Lynn, do you pray for people? Do you ask people to pray for you? What would you call that?

Main Entry: 2me·di·ate
Pronunciation: 'mE-dE-"At
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Medieval Latin mediatus, past participle of mediare, from Late Latin, to be in the middle, from Latin medius middle
transitive senses
1 a : to effect by action as an intermediary b : to bring accord out of by action as an intermediary
2 a : to act as intermediary agent in bringing, effecting, or communicating b : to transmit as intermediate mechanism or agency
intransitive senses
1 : to interpose between parties in order to reconcile them
2 : to reconcile differences


PAX CHRISTI

 

[Glenda]

I don't think i'd call bringing up Jesus a sacrafice, it would be a wonder a second

Please think about the day & time that Jesus was born..

Mary was pregnant without the benefit of wedlock.. the penalty for this would have been death.. they would have stoned her..

And Joseph?? His betrothed ends up pregnant.. by someone else.. even though it was God..

This was not their plan.. it was God's.. It can't have been easy.. To have to give birth in a stable.. to flee to avoid having your child slain.. to live in a foreign country without your family & friends..

Again.. I say God bless them for their obedience..

 

[Lynn73]

Lynn, do you pray for people? Do you ask people to pray for you? What would you call that?

Main Entry: 2me·di·ate
Pronunciation: 'mE-dE-"At
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Medieval Latin mediatus, past participle of mediare, from Late Latin, to be in the middle, from Latin medius middle
transitive senses
1 a : to effect by action as an intermediary b : to bring accord out of by action as an intermediary
2 a : to act as intermediary agent in bringing, effecting, or communicating b : to transmit as intermediate mechanism or agency
intransitive senses
1 : to interpose between parties in order to reconcile them
2 : to reconcile differences


PAX CHRISTI

I call it praying for someone, not a mediation. Asking God to do something for them and leaving the answer up to Him. I don't look at it as being the same thing as mediating. She doesn't mediate between us and God to bring reconciliaton. It is Jesus who does that. The Bible is clear that there is one Mediator between God and men and that is Christ. Mary's name is strangely absent.

 

[Isaiah 53]

I call it praying for someone, not a mediation. Asking God to do something for them and leaving the answer up to Him. I don't look at it as being the same thing as mediating. She doesn't mediate between us and God to bring reconciliaton. It is Jesus who does that. The Bible is clear that there is one Mediator between God and men and that is Christ. Mary's name is strangely absent.

Psssst....Lynn, when you pray for someone else you are acting as a mediator for that person....you are going before God with a request on behalf of someone else...I didnt see your name in the Bible either.....

PAX CHRISTI

 

[Lynn73]

And I'm not a mediator between God and men, am I, so may name shouldn't be there.

 

[Iollain]

Please think about the day & time that Jesus was born..

Mary was pregnant without the benefit of wedlock.. the penalty for this would have been death.. they would have stoned her..

And Joseph?? His betrothed ends up pregnant.. by someone else.. even though it was God..

This was not their plan.. it was God's.. It can't have been easy.. To have to give birth in a stable.. to flee to avoid having your child slain.. to live in a foreign country without your family & friends..

Again.. I say God bless them for their obedience..

Yes, God blessed them for their obedience, however, they had the Messiah here, the Son of God, i'm sure they knew that God was in control of the situation. This was the most exciting thing ever!

 

[Polycarp1]

And I'm not a mediator between God and men, am I, so may name shouldn't be there.

Well, I disagree, Lynn. I can't count the number of times, over three different boards we've been on together, when you would say you'll pray for someone.

And that makes you an intercessor before God for them.

Like Mary, Francis, John Wesley, our friend CJ, and many another Christian from every denomination, you are continuing Christ's mediating work as a part of His Mystical Body, the Church, beseeching God for mercy on and guidance for your fellow man. That makes you, me, and all of us "co-mediators" in the Catholic sense, people working with and under Jesus to further God's will in the world.

May God sustain and further your work in His Name!

 

[Iollain]

Lynn73 is easy to get in touch with to pray, just send a private message and she gets it. Now how do saints passed on get all these messages, and why isn't there an example of one person praying to those passed on? Because it is a man made wish. The Bible says:




1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.


1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.


1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words

 

[Lynn73]

Thanks, GraceinHim. Polycarp, I somehow don't think you understand what some of us are trying to get across. Of course, we pray for each other and I guess you could call it a type of mediation if you wish. But I can not answer that prayer for or guarantee the answer they want and I only believe in praying for those still physically alive. And I don't accept Mary as having any role in our salvtion or mediating between us and God in any manner having to do with salvation. The Bible cleary says that role belongs to Christ alone. She's gone on home to heaven with the other believers. Nothing in the Bible makes me think we should address her directly in prayer or that she would even hear.

 

[lmnop9876]

I prefer this version of the rosary:
Hail Mary, highly favoured, blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus. Son of Mary, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

 

[GraceInHim]

Thanks, GraceinHim. Polycarp, I somehow don't think you understand what some of us are trying to get across.

I think you mistaken who is GIH - I never responded to this thread... thats ok

 

[Llauralin]

Which is why I acknowledged her role as his mother. Was it John she gave Mary too? I'm not sure, either way, once he left the Earth, he was no longer human, but all God.

That doesn't sound right.... Jesus was always all God, and the part about Him losing the human nature completely just doesn't sound right....

I can't remember why though...

 

[lmnop9876]

That doesn't sound right.... Jesus was always all God, and the part about Him losing the human nature completely just doesn't sound right....

I can't remember why though...

because Christ, being the Son of God, became Man, and so was, and continues to be, God and Man, in two distinct Natures, and one Person for ever.

 

[-Kyriaki-]

I prefer this version of the rosary:
Hail Mary, highly favoured, blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus. Son of Mary, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

i like that - it's a rote prayer that relates to the rosary (and honours Mary) but puts the focus where it belongs - on Jesus

 

[lmnop9876]

i like that - it's a rote prayer that relates to the rosary (and honours Mary) but puts the focus where it belongs - on Jesus

yeah, I found it on an Anglican site somewhere.

 

[dignitized]

Wrong. I came to Jesus and Mary didn't have a thing to do with it. We don't need Mary to come to Christ.

um technically - she did. She did give birth to Him. He obedience and submission to the Father brought the Savior into this world. SO - Mary did and does have something to do with your coming to Jesus . . . .

Does Mary save? Absolutely not! But that does not negate her role and possition as the Mother of the Savior - as Mother of God.

 

[Lynn73]

I agree to disagree. Just because she gave birth to Him doesn't make her have a part in my salvation. If it wasn't her, it would've been someone else. The important thing is not the package the Savior came in but the Savior Himself. Our salvation is totally dependent upon Him. With all due respect to Mary, I disagree that she has anything to do with my salvation just because she gave birth to Him. He died on the cross for me, not her. He shed His blood for me, she didn't.

 

[12volt_man]

The Rosary is a Crucifix attached to a circular string of beads. If one says the Rosary properly, every day, they shall not sin. The Rosary was given to St. Dominic, by the virgin Mary Herself, who appeared to him. The first Rosary had rose buds for beads, and was rather large. Since roses were really not very plentiful to make all the Rosaries needed, beads were used as substitutes.

When a person says the Rosary, spiritual rose blossoms come out of their mouth for the virgin Mary. Since Mary is the highest saint in Heaven, he intercession is crucial to our spiritual development. Jesus is how we get to God, but we get to Jesus through the immaculate heart of Mary. Hence the prayer:

Jesus, through the immaculate heart of Mary, I offer you my prayers, works, joys, and sufferings of this day; for all the intentions of Your Sacred Heart, in union with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass throughout the world, in reparation for sin, for all the intentions of my friends and associates, and especially for the intentions of The Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI.

This prayer is not in the Rosary, but it is a very good prayer. What is spoken during a Rosary has a twofold use. The first, which was described above, gives our Mother, Mary a wonderful spiritual bouquet of roses. It is important to realize these are only rose blossoms, as there are no thorns given to Mary. In order for our verbal prayers to bear such fruit, one must be meditation on one of the mysteries of Christ. These mysteries are described in the Bible, and are documented in countless Catholic prayer books, which include instructions for the Rosary. There are four sets of five mysteries. When meditating on a specific mystery, such as "The Crucifixion, which is the fifth mystery in "The Sorrowful Mysteries", all the "Hail Marys" you say during the Rosary bring forth beautiful spiritual rose blossoms from your mouth. The Mother Mary accepts these as your gift to her for bringing Jesus into the world.

The second purpose of the verbal prayers is to act as a mantra, preventing evil spirits from entering into your meditation on the mysteries of Christ. Satan can distort these mysteries and lead you to demise if you meditate gnostically. By meditating on the mysteries of Christ, saying the prayers according to the Rosary beads, and letting The Holy Spirit lead you, you will be given a tree of life in your soul, which will bear the fruit of Jesus Christ.

And is any of this found in scripture?

 

[12volt_man]

Well perhaps this is where the misunderstanding of Marion doctrine begins. Nowhere have I, or any other Catholic, said or made Mary the equal of Christ.

Then what is the point of praying to her?

The majority of Protestants would minimize the Role of Mary to "just another servant"...well that is not the case. She is the Mother of God!

Do you believe that God existed before Mary was created?

We DO NOT WORSHIP MARY!!!!

Right. Roman Catholics don't worship Mary. And don't let the fact that they build statues to her and bow down to them fool you.