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child630
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I enjoy sin; I enjoy worldly pleasures, but I reluctantly turn from them to avoid God's punishment. I don't turn from sin because I hate sin, I turn from sin because I hate the consequences of that sin. And now I am miserable, because I miss my sin. I can't help how I feel.
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But you have not yet been saved, Some who is saved sins but hates the sin. You can not follow God out of fear of punishment it has to be out of Love.
You said you think you Love sin, i don't think you know the core of sin or what it is. Sin is death, sin kills the flesh and soul. So you are effectively saying you Love death.
Do you like to hurt people? why? Lust feels good, but fails in comparison to the gifts of The Spirit. Did you know in France an organism is called the small death? Sexaul sin kills to. In hell that is where sin belongs, as it is written death was thrown in to hell. Being with out God is death, is hell. It is not God is trying to torturer people, but we can not live with out him and to be with out him is torture, but if people don't want to be with him what choice does he have. It is also a place of punishment for wrongs.
If you love sin you are not ready to come to God, because you have to see it is wicked, to say it is evil, so you love evil? There is no love in satan, there is no truth, no mercy, no compassion, no kindness. Evil will put you through a hell you can not imagine with out God. Fallen angels hate mankind they want to destroy them. They will destroy you to, That is the truth.
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child630
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When you are saying that I have not been saved, then you are saying Christ rejected me when I came to Him in tears.
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BFine
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*Worldly pleasures: I enjoy going to the zoo, the beach and I enjoy the mountains for examples…to some those things are
"worldly pleasures" and they equate that as enjoying sin in their
opinion.
I don't love and or enjoy those "things" more than God.
Nor do I spend all my time and money on taking trips to the zoo,
beach and mountains etc.
We can enjoy "things" in this life but we aren't to place "things" above
God.
In case I totally miss what you are actually saying---
I would STRONGLY encourage you to renew your mind on the
Word of God regularly and build a firm personal relationship
with God.
* Read all of Romans chapter 12 and all the chapters of 1 John , meditate on it, search it out prayerfully
and apply it in your life.
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child630
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I get now what you are saying. I think because I have sinful desires that means that I love sin. Maybe I really hate the sin. I don't know.
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why were you in tears if you love sin? If you completely surrendered to God from a repented heart you are saved. Why do you say you love sin? Do you really love sin? Or is it you fall to temptation. Over a life time we walk closer and closer with God. it does not happen over night. Your going back to you flesh nature, your sinful nature, if your saved you have a new nature from God, of God, your spiritual nature get in touch with that, and stop this foolishness that you love sin, and you only follow God out of fear of punishment, if that is true why were you in tears?
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I never condemned you, i just challenge you to see if you were saved or needed to repent, i mean after all you claim to love sin.
Really people condemn you? Your in good company they do the same to me. I have even been rejected by churches.
Relax.
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child630
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I never condemned you, i just challenge you to see if you were saved or needed to repent, i mean after all you claim to love sin.
Really people condemn you? Your in good company they do the same to me. I have even been rejected by churches.
Relax.
Forgive me for thinking you condemned me. I thought because I have the desire to sin it meant I loved the sin. But I realized, it's an unwanted desire.
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You have forgiveness.
Don't force it because people tell you you should hate it. Just ask God to show you that you hate it. Never fake it If you see it great if not wait till you see it. But you are humble, and that is a trait of Jesus. I feel pretty sure he is with you. God loves the humble he exalts them.
Your old sinful nature will come up, but remember you have a new spiritual nature get in touch with that.
I have explored sin to depths, trust me the only thing in it is the death. There is nothing Good in sin. You don't want that. You want life, and that is Jesus. The Spirit of peace is Jesus Christ. I mean literally his spirit is peace. I have been been forgiven a great debt, save your self much suffering and seek out Gods ways with all your heart, I promise you that you will not be disappointed.
Peace and Love
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Freedom not bondage, when we sin it takes away our peace, we become worried about the sin we have committed which put us at odds with the lord. We our all sinners, and all have sinned an come short of the Glory of our lord. The only difference between a Sinner an a Christian is Jesus Christ and his Sacrific no works we have done or our rightousness will be good enough to pay our sin debt. The blood of Christ the atonement of our sins, As a Christian 1John2:1 the lord is willing to forgive us our sin. Salvation does not give us the right to sin, it makes us more aware of sin. Giving Christians a way to grow spiritually, to putting our trust in the Lord.
As Christ is in the Father, so our we in Jesus Christ. Let us not greive the Holy spirit
If you truly are a Christian. Then don't tempt God meditate upon the lord, Jesus is our mentor let the light of Christ so shine in us. Rejoice in the fact that we have a home in Heaven and eternal life. How great is your reward in Heaven compared to sin and sorrow here? Have a blest Day
As Christ is in the Father, so our we in Jesus Christ. Let us not greive the Holy spirit
If you truly are a Christian. Then don't tempt God meditate upon the lord, Jesus is our mentor let the light of Christ so shine in us. Rejoice in the fact that we have a home in Heaven and eternal life. How great is your reward in Heaven compared to sin and sorrow here? Have a blest Day
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hi again
we can help how we feel .. we call on the name of the lord Jesus to come and save us .. and change us ..
i recall the testimony of the revivalist Charles Finny ,when he was challenged by the Holy Spirit to surrender all to allow god to work through his life .. and god asked him are you willing ?..
and charles finny could not say in truth that he was wiling (like you ). then God displayed his GRACE when the Holy Spirits asked him these amazing words ..
ARE YOU WILLING TO BE MADE WILLING ? to which he surrendered and said -YES lord .
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