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What is the real significance of speaking in tongues?

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I have a couple of questions on the topic of tongues and would appreciate some feedback. Reading many past posts on this topic I think it is safe to assume most Pentecostals believe the following:
Tongues are not necessary for salvation.
Tongues are a manifestation of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Tongues are a manifestation of one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Tongues are a form of worship.
Tongues are a way to edify oneself.

My questions are:
If tongues are not required for salvation, what is the difference between a tongue speaking Christian and a non-tongue speaking one?
What is the difference between a Christian baptized in the Holy Spirit and one who is not?

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I have a couple of questions on the topic of tongues and would appreciate some feedback. Reading many past posts on this topic I think it is safe to assume most Pentecostals believe the following:
Tongues are not necessary for salvation.
Tongues are a manifestation of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Tongues are a manifestation of one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Tongues are a form of worship.
Tongues are a way to edify oneself.

My questions are:
If tongues are not required for salvation, what is the difference between a tongue speaking Christian and a non-tongue speaking one?
What is the difference between a Christian baptized in the Holy Spirit and one who is not?

Seek
The simple answer is the gifts of the Spirit mentioned in 1 Cor. 12 are not usually present in the Christian's ministry.
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Many tongue-speaking people find that when they are backed into a corner with problems, praying in tongues helps resolve situations in unexpected ways. Regular prayer is speaking to the same God, from the same person... but this just allows Him to pray through us for things we hadn't thought of.

I have found some experiential benefits, concerning praying for others. There are times when I pray in tongues, that I get a visual image or sense of what I'm praying for, and realize that it's a need I never would have known of on my own.

A weird example -- once I saw an image of two hooded people possibly in Antarctica, in total darkness, on the edge of the water, exchanging fish. I continued to pray with what little information I had (using reason).

I had a sense that so few people were praying for them because Christians in the populated areas only think of people existing in the familiar areas. They might have even asked God for more prayer support.

I did a web search, and found that several countries had set up research bases in Antarctica. The exchange of fish was probably symbolic of sharing needed information, or resources, or sustenance. So there really were people who needed prayer. But I wouldn't have thought to pray for them on my own.

I don't think of tongues as a right or wrong thing -- just an extra tool to do a job. Like being the neighbor who owns a chain saw. Anyone can get a chain saw. Anyone can let it sit in their garage, or go out and help the neighbors with it.​
 
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Thank you for your replies. The reason I began thinking about this is because the pastor at the Pentecostal church I attend spoke recently giving praise to Billy Graham. I have great respect for Billy Graham but as far as I know he is a Baptist and does not speak in tongues. Some believe that tongues may be a sign of Christian maturity. If this were true why don’t Christians like Billy Graham speak in tongues? Most would agree he is a very mature Christian,

I like the analogy mentioned of drinking from a well as opposed to drinking from a river.

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Billy Graham wrote a book called The Holy Spirit. I was quite surprised when I read what he wrote about speaking in tongues. I'll post some of the statements and coinciding page numbers.

A friend of mine spoke with a pastor in Canton, GA who said he knew the minister who did indeed lay hands on Billy Graham for him to be 'filled' and receive tongues. He indicated, if I recall correctly, that Rev. Graham didn't speak in tongues. I repeat this as I heard it, but it may not be true, so take it with a grain of salt.

From 'The Holy Spirit' by Billy Graham

Page 218 - …as we approach the end of the age, I believe we will see a dramatic recurrence of signs and wonders which will demonstrate the power of God to a skeptical world. Just as the powers of satan are being unleashed with greater intensity, so I believe God will allow signs and wonders to be performed.

Page 226 – First there is a definite gift of tongues apparently different from the one expressed at Pentecost because no interpretation was required there. Although there is honest disagreement among Christians about the validity of tongues today, I personally cannot find any biblical justification for saying the gift of tongues was meant exclusively for N.T. times.

Page 226 - …easily becomes misunderstood and even divisive. (while stressing it was the least of the gifts, Paul also devoted the most space to discussing it of any of the gifts).

Page 232 – In fairness to some of my charismatic friends, I must add that even though I disagree with them on the issue of the ‘baptism of the Holy Spirit” as accompanied by the sign of tongues, yet I do know and teach the need for believers to be filled with the Spirit. Setting aside the issue of tongues as the necessary sign, we may be talking about a phase of the same experience.

Page 233 – Peter Wagner says,” It must be remembered that the body of Christ is universal with many local manifestations. Spiritual gifts are given to the body universal, and therefore certain ones may or may not be found in any particular local part of the body. This explains why, for example, a local church or even an entire denomination may not have been given the gift of tongues while other parts of the body might have it.”

Page 233-234 – There is a real (as contrasted with a counterfeit) gift of tongues. Many of those who have been given this gift have been transformed spiritually – some temporarily, some permanently.

Page 234 – Indeed, tongues is a gift of the Spirit. When those who speak in tongues misuse it so that it becomes divisive, it indicates a lack of love. And those who forbid it do the church a disservice because they appear to contradict the teaching of the apostle Paul.

Page 235 – The sign gifts – healings, miracles and tongues probably attracted as much attention in 1st century. They also caused confusion and abuses as today. Nevertheless, God the Holy Spirit gave them to some within church to be used for His glory. They must never be exploited for selfish reasons nor must they ever become sources of either division or pride. They should be used strictly in accordance with principles God set forth in the Bible. If God chooses to give these gifts to some today, pray they will be used for the common good and furtherance of the Kingdom
 
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Thank you for your replies. The reason I began thinking about this is because the pastor at the Pentecostal church I attend spoke recently giving praise to Billy Graham. I have great respect for Billy Graham but as far as I know he is a Baptist and does not speak in tongues. Some believe that tongues may be a sign of Christian maturity. If this were true why don’t Christians like Billy Graham speak in tongues? Most would agree he is a very mature Christian,

I like the analogy mentioned of drinking from a well as opposed to drinking from a river.

Seek
Billy does speak in tongues... but like so many others, he does not understand what speaking in tongues is. He thinks it is just a gift of the Holy Spirit and seems to be unaware that there is a devotional tongues with which all believes can speak.
He is correct in thinking that not all have the Holy Spirit enabled "diversities of tongues"... but he apparently discounts the "new tongues" about which Jesus speaks. Every believer can and does speak with new tongues.
 
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Thank you for your replies. The reason I began thinking about this is because the pastor at the Pentecostal church I attend spoke recently giving praise to Billy Graham. I have great respect for Billy Graham but as far as I know he is a Baptist and does not speak in tongues. Some believe that tongues may be a sign of Christian maturity. If this were true why don’t Christians like Billy Graham speak in tongues? Most would agree he is a very mature Christian,

I like the analogy mentioned of drinking from a well as opposed to drinking from a river.

Seek
Speaking in tongues is not a sign of spiritual maturity . . . if it was then there would have been no corrective letter to the Corinthians (1 Cor).

Acts defines Spirit Baptism as the induction into the mission of the church (which is the mission of Christ) through the power of the Spirit ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. It is the active dimension of the Spirit verses the passive dimension of the Spirit.

Tongues, prophecy, and interpretation of tongues serve as patently proclamation oriented giftings. As such, Spirit Baptism also inducts one into the prophetic (I qualify by saying commonplace) sphere of declaration in boldness and power the death burial and resurrection of Christ.

Good book:
Spirit and Power: A call to Evangelical Dialouge
by William and Robert Menzies
 
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It's the difference between a well [John 4], and a river [John 7].

Same water ... different form


Amen. And there are a lot of things one can do with a well of water.

However one can do much, much more with a river than one can do with a well. :)
 
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The maturity perception can come from our own cautions -- many of us choose not to let the fullness of God express through us, whether Charismatic or not. Public tongues, prophecy, and stepping out in healing are risks, both spiritually and socially.

I think that a lot of new believers hear from God, but aren't sure what's appropriate or how things are usually done... aren't sure if they really heard from God. That takes some time, but it's not heirarchical .

We would love to believe that God loves us more when we are more dedicated, more effective, more obedient... so it's easy to slip into competition or setting criteria for who is approved to be used by God.

The maturity stands out in deciding what to do with the gift, how to pace and present it, how to discern whether we're on track or not, whether our words are beneficial to others... the use or application or test of maturity often comes after the gift arrives.
 
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Billy Graham wrote a book called The Holy Spirit. I was quite surprised when I read what he wrote about speaking in tongues. I'll post some of the statements and coinciding page numbers.

A friend of mine spoke with a pastor in Canton, GA who said he knew the minister who did indeed lay hands on Billy Graham for him to be 'filled' and receive tongues. He indicated, if I recall correctly, that Rev. Graham didn't speak in tongues. I repeat this as I heard it, but it may not be true, so take it with a grain of salt.

From 'The Holy Spirit' by Billy Graham

Page 218 - …as we approach the end of the age, I believe we will see a dramatic recurrence of signs and wonders which will demonstrate the power of God to a skeptical world. Just as the powers of satan are being unleashed with greater intensity, so I believe God will allow signs and wonders to be performed.

Page 226 – First there is a definite gift of tongues apparently different from the one expressed at Pentecost because no interpretation was required there. Although there is honest disagreement among Christians about the validity of tongues today, I personally cannot find any biblical justification for saying the gift of tongues was meant exclusively for N.T. times.

Page 226 - …easily becomes misunderstood and even divisive. (while stressing it was the least of the gifts, Paul also devoted the most space to discussing it of any of the gifts).

Page 232 – In fairness to some of my charismatic friends, I must add that even though I disagree with them on the issue of the ‘baptism of the Holy Spirit” as accompanied by the sign of tongues, yet I do know and teach the need for believers to be filled with the Spirit. Setting aside the issue of tongues as the necessary sign, we may be talking about a phase of the same experience.

Page 233 – Peter Wagner says,” It must be remembered that the body of Christ is universal with many local manifestations. Spiritual gifts are given to the body universal, and therefore certain ones may or may not be found in any particular local part of the body. This explains why, for example, a local church or even an entire denomination may not have been given the gift of tongues while other parts of the body might have it.”

Page 233-234 – There is a real (as contrasted with a counterfeit) gift of tongues. Many of those who have been given this gift have been transformed spiritually – some temporarily, some permanently.

Page 234 – Indeed, tongues is a gift of the Spirit. When those who speak in tongues misuse it so that it becomes divisive, it indicates a lack of love. And those who forbid it do the church a disservice because they appear to contradict the teaching of the apostle Paul.

Page 235 – The sign gifts – healings, miracles and tongues probably attracted as much attention in 1st century. They also caused confusion and abuses as today. Nevertheless, God the Holy Spirit gave them to some within church to be used for His glory. They must never be exploited for selfish reasons nor must they ever become sources of either division or pride. They should be used strictly in accordance with principles God set forth in the Bible. If God chooses to give these gifts to some today, pray they will be used for the common good and furtherance of the Kingdom
Thank you for the Billy Graham quotes.

Seek
 
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