What is the purpose of the thousand-year reign of Christ?

Quasar92 said:

The purpose of the 1,000-year reign

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is to give the infant church a chance to develop -
the thousand years is history -
it is the byzantine empire, a christian empire where they reigned with Christ -
I explain this and the rest of the apocalypse in my blog

Jesus must take back the world from the devil

To provide a time period when the first resurrection in John chapter 5 can occur, before this rotten, sin-cursed world is destroyed by flaming fire.


Joh 5:24　 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.　



2Th 1:7　 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,　
2Th 1:8　 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.　
2Th 1:9　 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,　
2Th 1:10　 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.　
2Th 1:11　 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power,　
2Th 1:12　 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.


　
2Pe 3:10　 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.　
2Pe 3:11　 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,　
2Pe 3:12　 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?　
2Pe 3:13　 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.　

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victorinus said:

is to give the infant church a chance to develop -
the thousand years is history -
it is the byzantine empire, a christian empire where they reigned with Christ -
I explain this and the rest of the apocalypse in my blog

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It would seem to be a strange reign, that slew 50 million true believers, culminated in the Protestant Reformation, spawned the counter-reformation, and contrived dispensationalism's futurism.

victorinus said:

is to give the infant church a chance to develop -
the thousand years is history -
it is the byzantine empire, a christian empire where they reigned with Christ -
I explain this and the rest of the apocalypse in my blog

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my views identify the two beasts, their image, and their mark -
history and a literal interpretation of scripture is the only way to confirm the fulfillment of prophecy

jgr said:

And what land other than that of Genesis 15:18 would have been sworn to them?

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The promise was Gods promise that he would give it to the seed of Abraham.. So eventually the Seed of Abraham will have what was promised.. That does not mean that the Hebrews who escaped Egypt would be the seed that would fully realize the promise to Abraham nor their Children who where given part of that promised land.. The promise never stated exactly when it would be fulfilled.. But God did give the promise and therefore it shall be Fulfilled... If it is not fulfilled then god would be shown to be a liar.. And God cannot lie.. So one day this promise will be fulfilled and i believe it will be fulfilled during the 1000 year reign of Christ that happens after His return to earth..

Quasar92 said:

Show me from any source you are able to find, where Isrel EVER occupied the land from the Euphrates river to the Nile river, or stop trying to claim It is in Jos.21! It IS NOT in Jos.21 or any place else you can ever find. Nor will it be, until Jesus is reigning on the throne of David for 1,000 years, according to Acts 2:29-30; 15{16 and Rev.20:6.


Quasar92

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What would Joshua know anyway ?

He was only there when the Israelites went into the promised land and divided up that land among the tribes. Try to ignore or deny what Joshua said, because it does not fit modern Dispensational Theology, which is endorsed by the long list that you have posted on numerous occasions, but is rejected by many others you did not post.

Also, try to ignore the vast kingdom controlled by Solomon.

While you are at it ignore the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

If you think God is going to deal with the modern nation of Israel under the Old Covenant system during a future time period of 7 years, then cut Hebrews 8:13, and Hebrews 13:20 out of your Bible.

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Quasar92 said:

Show me from any source you are able to find, where Isrel EVER occupied the land from the Euphrates river to the Nile river, or stop trying to claim It is in Jos.21! It IS NOT in Jos.21 or any place else you can ever find. Nor will it be, until Jesus is reigning on the throne of David for 1,000 years, according to Acts 2:29-30; 15{16 and Rev.20:6.


Quasar92

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The source is looking at you: Joshua 21:43, corroborated by Deuteronomy 19:7-9 and Joshua 20:7-9.

I claim nothing. I merely repeat the claims of the above inerrant inspired writers of those Scriptures. Argue with them.

Adstar said:

The promise was Gods promise that he would give it to the seed of Abraham.. So eventually the Seed of Abraham will have what was promised.. That does not mean that the Hebrews who escaped Egypt would be the seed that would fully realize the promise to Abraham nor their Children who where given part of that promised land.. The promise never stated exactly when it would be fulfilled.. But God did give the promise and therefore it shall be Fulfilled... If it is not fulfilled then god would be shown to be a liar.. And God cannot lie.. So one day this promise will be fulfilled and i believe it will be fulfilled during the 1000 year reign of Christ that happens after His return to earth..

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You need wait no longer. God, speaking through the inerrant inspired writers of Joshua 21:43, Deuteronomy 19:7-9, and Joshua 20:7-9, testifies that He fulfilled His promise to the letter. He does not lie, and He did not lie.

Quasar92 said:

No mount of dancing, squirming and wriggling around you do, there is nothing in your above Post that comes close to providing the occupation of the land by Israel, to the Euphrates river, 650 miles from Jerusalem. Which will not take place until Jesus reigns on the throne of David for 1,000 years, as I keep telling you!


Quasar92

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No one has to squirm or Dance, but they can if they want I guess.....

Looks like King David had to go near the Euphrates River to REcapture land that Israel had once received
3Then David defeated Hadadezer, the son of Rehob king of Zobah, as he went to restore his rule at the River.

Let's take a look at all the territory that Solomon ruled over.

2 Chronicles 9:26-25
…25Now Solomon had 4,000 stalls for horses and chariots and 12,000 horsemen, and he stationed them in the chariot cities and with the king in Jerusalem. 26He was the ruler over all the kings from the Euphrates River even to the land of the Philistines, and as far as the border of Egypt.

That sure seems to me that Israel occupied all the land from the Euphrates River to the border of Egypt.

Quasar92 said:

Show me from any source you are able to find, where Isrel EVER occupied the land from the Euphrates river to the Nile river, or stop trying to claim It is in Jos.21! It IS NOT in Jos.21 or any place else you can ever find. Nor will it be, until Jesus is reigning on the throne of David for 1,000 years, according to Acts 2:29-30; 15{16 and Rev.20:6.


Quasar92

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Here it is again:

Looks like King David had to go near the Euphrates River to REcapture land that Israel had once received
2 Samuel 8:3
3Then David defeated Hadadezer, the son of Rehob king of Zobah, as he went to restore his rule at the River.

Let's take a look at all the territory that Solomon ruled over.

2 Chronicles 9:26-25
…25Now Solomon had 4,000 stalls for horses and chariots and 12,000 horsemen, and he stationed them in the chariot cities and with the king in Jerusalem. 26He was the ruler over all the kings from the Euphrates River even to the land of the Philistines, and as far as the border of Egypt.

That sure seems to me that Israel occupied all the land from the Euphrates River to the border of Egypt.

One aspect the the millennial kingdom that seems to get overlooked is that it is not going to be all rosy as some might presume. if it was perfect, it wouldn't last for only 1000 years, but forever, and when Satan is released, a mass rebellion of mankind against God yet again would not be a reality. Even though God has made a almost perfect environment for man to live in, he still rebels against God. Psalms 2 is clearly in view.

The kingdom parables give us a glimpse of what it will be like. Specifically the Parable of the Leaven and the Parable of the Mustard Seed. Both show the kingdom being permeated with evil and sin and it grows to fill all the kingdom. Also, why would rain be withheld from those nations that fail to go to Jerusalem at the Feast of Tabernacles yearly? And why would Messiah need to rule with a rod of iron?.

Zechariah 14:17-19 (NKJV) And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

And sin and death will still be in view in the kingdom...

Isaiah 65:20 (NKJV) “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

The kingdom will be populated by those that survive the tribulation period and haven't taken the mark, not the church as we know it now. Those folks will have children, die, etc and still have their sin nature they got from Adam, and the apple does not fall far from the tree. Messiah will rescue national Israel when they call out to Him in their despair during the tribulation period as outlined in Hosea:

Hosea 5:15 - 6:2 (NKJV) I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
Then they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”
Chapter 6
A Call to Repentance
1 Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.

The problem revolves around mistaking the millennial kingdom with heaven. Not the same. And mistaking the physical, earthly promises to Israel with the heavenly promises given to the believers. Also, problems seen to arise because many do not put the time in to study the OT as much as they study the NT. All scripture should be balanced with all scripture. Always keep in mind, Paul commended the Bereans for searching the scriptures daily to see if what Paul taught them was true. All they had was the OT. And the Mosaic Law prescription that an issue can only be confirmed on the testimony of two or more witnesses is a good method to follow. We have those witnesses... the OT and the NT.

claninja said:

Here it is again:

Looks like King David had to go near the Euphrates River to REcapture land that Israel had once received
2 Samuel 8:3
3Then David defeated Hadadezer, the son of Rehob king of Zobah, as he went to restore his rule at the River.

Let's take a look at all the territory that Solomon ruled over.

2 Chronicles 9:26-25
…25Now Solomon had 4,000 stalls for horses and chariots and 12,000 horsemen, and he stationed them in the chariot cities and with the king in Jerusalem. 26He was the ruler over all the kings from the Euphrates River even to the land of the Philistines, and as far as the border of Egypt.

That sure seems to me that Israel occupied all the land from the Euphrates River to the border of Egypt.

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I believe that a primary issue is the dispen refusal to accept the River of Egypt as the Wadi El-Arish and insistence that it is the Nile.

There's a good clarification here.

jgr said:

I believe that a primary issue is the dispen refusal to accept the River of Egypt as the Wadi El-Arish and insistence that it is the Nile.

There's a good clarification here.

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If you get a chance, look at a map of Egypt around 1000 bc. Egypts border Stopped at Sinai. This is where the Nile branches into the Nile delta. So saying Israels land went through Sinai to egypts boarder was to say that it went to the Nile delta.

So either way, id say it was fulfilled

Quasar92 said:

*snip* The Millennium (also known as the Millennial Kingdom) is the 1,000-year reign of Jesus after the Tribulation and before all the people of the world are sent to either heaven or hell. Jesus will reign as king over Israel as well as all the nations of the world (Isaiah 2:4; 42:1). The world will live in peace (Isaiah 11:6–9; 32:18), Satan will be bound (Revelation 20:1–3), and, at the beginning, everyone will worship God (Isaiah 2:2–3). The purpose of the 1,000-year reign is to fulfill promises God made to the world that cannot be fulfilled while Satan is free and humans have political authority. Some of these promises, called covenants, were given specifically to Israel. Others were given to Jesus, the nations of the world, and creation. All of these will be fulfilled during Jesus’ 1,000-year reign.
The main purpose of Jesus’ 1,000-year reign is to fulfill the prophecies given to Israel and the promises made to Jesus, the nations, and the whole earth. God’s covenants were voluntary and one-sided. He promised He would bless Israel and restore the world in specific ways, and He will.
Quasar02

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Great thread.
First, let's see where the word "Abyss" is used in the NT.

12. abussos from 1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of 1037;
depthless, i.e. (specially) (infernal) "abyss":--deep, (bottomless) pit.
G12 ἄβυσσος (abyssos), occurs 9 times in 9 verses

In Luke 8, the event of the "kamikaze swine"

Luke 8 [Matthew 8:32 Mark 5:13]
30 And Jesus questions him, saying, "What is thy name?"
And he said, "Legion" (because many demons entered into him).
31 And they entreated Him that no He should be charging them to be going away into the Abyss.
32 Yet, there was a herd of many swine grazing in the mountain, and they entreat Him that He should be permitting to them into those to be entering. And He permits to them.
33 And the Demons coming out from the man entered into the swine.
And the herd rushes down the steep into the Lake and drowned.

This is an interesting verse in Romans referring to Christ descending into the Abyss leading up.
Never really looked closely at this in reference to the Abyss in Revelation.

Romans 10:7
Or Who shall be descending into the Abyss,'
This is being Christ out of dead-ones to be leading up<321>
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Revelation 9:
1 And the fifth Messenger trumpets, and I saw a Star out of the heaven having fallen to the land,
and there was given to Him the key of the well/pit of the Abyss,
2 and He did open the well/pit of the Abyss, and there came up smoke out of the well/pit as smoke of a great furnace.
And darkened was the sun and the air, from the smoke of the well/pit.
11 and they have over them a King — the Messenger of the Abyss —
a name [is] to him in Hebrew, Abaddon,
and in the Greek he hath a name, Apollyon/Destroyer.

Revelation 11
7 ‘And whenever They should be finishing Their testimony,
the Beast, the One ascending out of the Abyss, shall be doing battle with Them, and shall be conquering Them, and shall be killing Them,
8 and their corpse <4430> shall be upon the broad-place<4116> of the great City, which is being called spiritually Sodom, and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified,

Revelation 17:8
‘The Beast that thou didst see: it was and is not, and is being about to be ascending out of the Abyss, and into destruction<684> to be going away<5217>
and shall be marveling<2296>those dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written upon the Book of the Life from foundation<2602> of world<2889>,
beholding the Beast that was, and is not, although it is.

Revelation 20
1 And I saw a Messenger coming down out of the heaven, having the key of the Abyss, and a great chain over his hand,
2 and He laid hold of the Dragon, the ancient Serpent, who is a Devil/Slanderer and the Satan/Adversary,
and binds Him a thousand years.
3 And He cast Him to the Abyss, and locks and seals over Him
that no He should be deceiving the nations any more, untill should be finished<5055> the thousands years.
After these, it is binding to be loosed Him a little<3398> time<5550>.

victorinus said:

where does it say Christ will reign?

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Revelation 20:1-6

Since we know the Millenial reign starts when Christ returns to earth and resurrects the 144,000 end-time jewish martyrs, we see that the Millenial reign is both a fulfillment of prophesy to the Jewish remnant and a reward for end-time Christian martyrdom. It is also God's way of saying "You've had the Anti-Christ run things. Now have my Son." It's God's way of giving the earth the choice of who to partake of.... Jesus or the Anti-Christ. God or Satan. The Millenium is also a way to refine humanity, since Satan will be locked up, unable to deceive the Millenial nations, yet the descendents of the 144,000 will not all chose Christ, even though they will have lived with Him in person on Earth. These are those who Satan deceives at the end of the 1,000 years and brings to encircle the camp of Jesus Christ and are destroyed by fire from Heaven before the Great White throne judgement.

Jonathan Mathews said:

Since we know the Millenial reign starts when Christ returns to earth and resurrects the 144,000 end-time jewish martyrs, we see that the Millenial reign is both a fulfillment of prophesy to the Jewish remnant and a reward for end-time Christian martyrdom. It is also God's way of saying "You've had the Anti-Christ run things. Now have my Son." It's God's way of giving the earth the choice of who to partake of.... Jesus or the Anti-Christ. God or Satan. The Millenium is also a way to refine humanity, since Satan will be locked up, unable to deceive the Millenial nations, yet the descendents of the 144,000 will not all chose Christ, even though they will have lived with Him in person on Earth. These are those who Satan deceives at the end of the 1,000 years and brings to encircle the camp of Jesus Christ and are destroyed by fire from Heaven before the Great White throne judgement.

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Only 144,000? What of Matthew 25?