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What is the purpose of the secular music section?
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Just for the record -- If I were not a christian, there is no way that I would be turned on Christian music. In fact, as a Christian I can honestly say that I am not turned on to Christian music. You say that we should not conform to the pattern of this world musically, but what do you think Christian music is? There are very (and I mean VERY) few artists who market their music to christians that are original, innovative, and creative with their art. They are mostly "Christian alternatives to secular band [insert band name here] ". So in a sense isn't much of Christian music conforming to the pattern of the world?
And again, I don't think you are grasping what I have been saying all along. This false dichotemy is music has got to go. You keep saying things about how evil secular things are, but in truth, you are using a secular computer as you read this, you are also probably sitting on a secular chair. Perhaps you are thirsty and you have a secular drink there too. Just because something is not connected to the church does not make it evil.
And again, I don't think you are grasping what I have been saying all along. This false dichotemy is music has got to go. You keep saying things about how evil secular things are, but in truth, you are using a secular computer as you read this, you are also probably sitting on a secular chair. Perhaps you are thirsty and you have a secular drink there too. Just because something is not connected to the church does not make it evil.
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jarshwoo said:How is everyone not dwelling on evil spiritual realms if they are listening to music that is influenced by demonic spirits. Would the spirit of God inspire people to sing about their own personal glorification or to spread negative messages to others. God is about Love, peace, and Joy, not lust, drugs, alcohol, cursing, and violence. Take a look at your music before you blame me for what you choose to listen to. I was warning you of what that music leads to.
those are the lyrics to two of the songs that i had been listening to on constant repeat for the last two weeks.
i don't see one demon inspire lyric in those two songs, let alone the other 10 or so songs on the cd.
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ok, i am...philN said:
but I would not be surprised to see it soon... they make bible bars (made entirely of foods of the bible)... so i figure a bible beverage isn't too far behind.
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i don't sing about my own personal glorification, or spread my "message" to others. i don't listen to music about lust, drugs, alcohol, cursing, although there's some violence in there (disembowelment, machine uprisings, that sort of thing)jarshwoo said:How is everyone not dwelling on evil spiritual realms if they are listening to music that is influenced by demonic spirits. Would the spirit of God inspire people to sing about their own personal glorification or to spread negative messages to others. God is about Love, peace, and Joy, not lust, drugs, alcohol, cursing, and violence. Take a look at your music before you blame me for what you choose to listen to. I was warning you of what that music leads to.
All Glory be to Jesus Christ.
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jarshwoo said:something from the fridge said:Exactly.
Jarshwoo's continued dwelling upon "other realms and spiritual beings" has caused me to be affected by them. A close friend of mine who i often go to when i have deep questions and his wife, who is a minister of religion both said exactly what Zoomer has said. This was 3 months ago when some of his family were talking about the ghosts that live in their homes. We decided that there is something there, and it becomes and inssue when we dwell upon them.
How is everyone not dwelling on evil spiritual realms if they are listening to music that is influenced by demonic spirits. Would the spirit of God inspire people to sing about their own personal glorification or to spread negative messages to others. God is about Love, peace, and Joy, not lust, drugs, alcohol, cursing, and violence. Take a look at your music before you blame me for what you choose to listen to. I was warning you of what that music leads to.
All Glory be to Jesus Christ.
We are all imperfect. None of us are free of a sinful life. God is about love, peace and joy. But where in the Bible does it say we cannot listen to secular music? It doesn't. Where in the Bible does it say we cannot listen to people talk about sinful things? It doesn't. There is a difference between doing something sinful and listening to something where people talk about sinful lives. How many of you out there have an accountability partner? If you do, you hear them talk all the time about lusting, doing drugs, having sex, among other things. Does this too mean that we are sinning by the standards you are setting? Because you cannot say one is OK while the other isn't. That is picking and choosing. You are ultimately deciding what you want to consider evil because the Bible doesn't specifically define what evil is, many of our morals are how we decide what is evil and what is not. You see secular music as evil, where I do not. I might see abortion is evil, where someone else may not. Does this mean that these things are evil in the eyes of God? No, we are making assumptions of what are evil, and by saying these things are evil by God's standards without using a Biblical basis, is saying we know how God thinks, and that is just not true....we can never make the claim that we know how God thinks.
In the Bible it talks about how lusting is a sin, how adultery is a sin, idoltry is a sin, not honoring your mother and father is a sin, God outlines our sins in the Bible. Where in the Bible does it say secular music is a sin? Where does it say having a secular job is a sin? Or doing anything else that is secular? You see secular music as sinful? That is great, that is your prerogative, but don't try and force it upon others because it is not Biblically factual. You are not God, I am not God. Live your life how you think it will be best spent, and I will do the same with mine.
Many singers out on the market today are Christians, or believe in some high power. How can we accurately say these people's songs are not inspired by God? Because they don't mention God's word? Because they don't mention the word God? Many people write songs and sing songs to release the pain they are feeling inside. You can come back with the argument that God can heal their pain. This is true, but people need an outward way of releasing pain. When I am in pain or mad, I write or draw and listen to mainly secular music... I find this soothing and relaxing. This is the same for singers. Again, without knowing how God thinks, we cannot say whether or not the music is inspired by God, unless we are that person doing the song writing. We don't know how God thinks.
Secular music is not just about lusting, drugs, alcohol and violence, many are about inspiration and thinking better about yourself. Many are also metaphors, which might include drugs or violence, but it not be about that at all, and as I said before a lot can be how they release their pain and anger.
Another point I want to make is that we are on Christian Forums.com. A web site dedicated to creating a Christian refuge for Christians and non-Christians alike. Going into the music section of this web site there is a secular music section. If secular music was considered a sin do you think Erwin would allow such a thing? Do you see a forum about best pornographic magazines? No, because THAT would be considered a sin through lusting. And so it is ridiculous to make the claim that listening to secular music is a sin if a CHRISTIAN web site and forum promotes it.
Finally, instead of "warning" those that you see as sinners through listening to the music, you should look within yourself and warn yourself about the sins YOU are committing, because you are not free of sin. Go on with your life and point out the sins in yourself instead of wasting your time on a secular music forum pointing out the so called sins you are making upon us. You are not free to judge us on your frivolous secular music is sin claim without Biblical proof.
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MoreInSorrow said:
well, without the advice, we get posessed by demons from listening to music.
with all the advice and dwelling on it, we almost get posessed by demons
pretty bleak really.
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Thought about it a bit more.
The other option we have is to continue on as we have been, focusing our lives on God.
you can close this thread now, my original question has been answered, and it is just another hijacked thread now.
The other option we have is to continue on as we have been, focusing our lives on God.
you can close this thread now, my original question has been answered, and it is just another hijacked thread now.
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