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What is the purpose of Hell?

Rhamiel

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Hell is proof that God loves us so much that He will not force us to be with Him and we can choose to spend eternity without Him
I agree with S.A. we are ment to be joined to God in a very real and spiritual sense, the pains of hell come from never fulfilling our purpose (to Love and Worship God)
 
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The purpose of hell is to confine and punish those who lead and follow in the kingdom of darkness.

It was created, as such, in order to confine and punish the Evil One and his demonic minions. It is the greatest tragedy in the whole universe of being that men and women, forged in the image of God, have chosen to ally with that kingdom and so walk into that terrible place as well.
I really like this post! :thumbsup:
 
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I'd need some scripture that you are saved by uniting your will to God's. :scratch:

A reasonable argument could be made for it, I think (not saying this is what I believe, just speaking hypothetically). Scripture says that God wishes for us to be saved, so if we choose a course of action that leads to our salvation, we are in a sense united with God's will. Our desires and aspirations for ourselves become His desires and aspirations for us.
 
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I would also say Hell is a choice. We choose to accept the life rope or we choose rebellion and hell... then many try to blame God for their own decision and accuse Him of injustice

Question: Do you think that people who reject God would choose any differently if the choice were made more explicit (i.e. God actually appears before them and gives them the ultimatum directly)?
 
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A reasonable argument could be made for it, I think (not saying this is what I believe, just speaking hypothetically). Scripture says that God wishes for us to be saved, so if we choose a course of action that leads to our salvation, we are in a sense united with God's will. Our desires and aspirations for ourselves become His desires and aspirations for us.
So you believe that we are saved by our actions? What of the sovereignty of God? :)
 
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Question: Do you think that people who reject God would choose any differently if the choice were made more explicit (i.e. God actually appears before them and gives them the ultimatum directly)?
If I may, a non-believing friend of mine actually said that if Jesus stood before her and asked her to follow him, she would be unable to agree to because of Christians like Falwell, Robertson, et al. She would refuse to spend eternity with them. Sadly, she believes that hell is going to be "party central". :cry:
 
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Question: Do you think that people who reject God would choose any differently if the choice were made more explicit (i.e. God actually appears before them and gives them the ultimatum directly)?
That isn't Faith tho is it?

I'd also add that Jesus Himself stood right in front of them, testifying who He was, doing miracles right in front of them all, using scriptures to relay He was their messiah prophecied to come and they refused to accept Him in plain sight.
 
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Question: Do you think that people who reject God would choose any differently if the choice were made more explicit (i.e. God actually appears before them and gives them the ultimatum directly)?
Thats a very good question GuKKor

I believe that God DID in fact appear to thousands of eye witnesses during His life and ministry, and then after His resurrection, proving He is God and giving us the choice, and hence we have christianity, the bible being testimony of a few of the inner circle who walked with Him, and paul being the one who saw after He ascended to Heaven.
 
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I think the issue of bending wills is deffanately part of being a christian. But that said I don't think it is a salvation issue becaus we do not start to change by the Holy spirit until after we are alrady saved.

We must die to our old self and put on the new etc. read romans 6.


Also, so I am not off topic, I have heard that Hell is a place of tottal seperation from God. The problem with this is that if God was not in Hell he would not be omnipresent. So a friend of mine explained to me that hell is where God puts all of the harsh things of his personality Judgement, Anger etc. I hope that helps.
 
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So you believe that we are saved by our actions? What of the sovereignty of God? :)

No, I don't necessarily believe that. I was merely pointing out that a reasonable case for such a view could be made. In this particular case, though, I would think it wouldn't be the actions themselves that save, but rather what those actions lead to, that is, union with the will of God.
 
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I think the issue of bending wills is deffanately part of being a christian. But that said I don't think it is a salvation issue becaus we do not start to change by the Holy spirit until after we are alrady saved.

We must die to our old self and put on the new etc. read romans 6.


Also, so I am not off topic, I have heard that Hell is a place of tottal seperation from God. The problem with this is that if God was not in Hell he would not be omnipresent. So a friend of mine explained to me that hell is where God puts all of the harsh things of his personality Judgement, Anger etc. I hope that helps.

Interesting. Where God goes to vent, essentially. I've never heard a view like that, thank you. :)
 
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Interesting. Where God goes to vent, essentially. I've never heard a view like that, thank you. :)
Actually the psalmist, speaking of the onmipresence of God, also said "if i make my bed in Hell, thou art there"
 
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No, I don't necessarily believe that. I was merely pointing out that a reasonable case for such a view could be made. In this particular case, though, I would think it wouldn't be the actions themselves that save, but rather what those actions lead to, that is, union with the will of God.
I just finished watching a series on Word Pictures on The Sovereignty of God. I have to admit that I was pretty impressed by what I saw and heard.

Personally, before I was saved I had NO interest in God because I was running/ruining my own life very well, thank you. Fortunately I had a good husband who put up with me. :) After he died, I had an intense desire to insure I would end up in heaven with him. I began to search out God and ended up saved by the blood of Jesus. But God put that desire in me or I would have ended up raging in the wind as so many other widows/widowers do. So God softened my heart and I searched and Jesus found me. I was saved but not due to anything I did or any merit on my part. Still trying to figure things out - just call me an elect messianic for now! :D
 
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What scripture says unite your will to God's?

We are to humble ourselves bowing to His will, i see nothing about uniting wills lol. Do we too become God by uniting wills with God? Does God meet us halfway in this uniting or what?

I know what youre likely trying to say, its just said very poorly imho

Uniting wills with God doesnt save you... believing Christ and repenting saves you
think of it as being conformed to the image of Christ.. you become conformed to Christ by submitting as you say.. but the ultimate goal is that you come to desire what he desires, to love what he loves etc.. thus your will becomes united to his will.

I think it was Athanasius who said that God became a man so that man could become God.

Now, that sounds shocking and very mormon on the surface. But if you take in the context of what he was talking about etc, he is saying that God's purpose through Jesus is to unite us to himself so that we can take part in his nature, his being. It doesn't mean that we become God in the mormon sense, we don't become the same kind of being that he is, we don't become self existant, but we experience God and we partake in his life, his holiness, etc.
 
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Question: Do you think that people who reject God would choose any differently if the choice were made more explicit (i.e. God actually appears before them and gives them the ultimatum directly)?
ultimately no.

this gets to the heart of the question about hell..

First, by hell I assume you mean the lake of fire, eternal punnishment etc.

The problem people have accepting hell is that they believe people are inherently good. It is hard to accept that a basically good person (by human standards) will suffer eternal fire because they were misguided about which god to worship and pray to. Some even because they were born in the wrong family, or the wrong country and were taught from birth to worship the wrong god etc.

I believe that this view is fundamentally flawed. It is wrong because at a very basic level our view of good and evil, and human nature, is flawed.

First, God is merciful beyond our understanding. Thus I have faith, and confidence that no one who doesn't truly deserve eternal damnation will end up in the lake of fire.

Secondly, the fact is that goodness, just as eternal life, is found only in God. He is its source. On earth we have people from all religions, and all beliefs that are nice, and have some good traits. The reason for that is that here on earth, God gives grace to all people at a basic level. Most of the people alive on earth still carry the image and likeness of God even if they are unsaved, and as such they are capable of good deeds and noble sentiments. It is what theologians frequently call "common grace". God has not totally removed himself from those people. They still receive of his grace on a basic level.

This gives us the impression, when we look at it in human terms, that many people are basically good, without God.
However, the contrary is actually the truth. As those people remove themselves from God, they become worse and worse.
C.S. Lewis talks about this in Mere Christianity. What we do in life prepares us either to be heavenly creatures, or hellish creatures. The more we know God, the more heavenly we become. The more we reject God, the more hellish we become.

The result is that those who fully reject God ultimately become vile evil creatures. People are by nature selfish, often cruel etc, but what we see in every day life here is nothing compared to the true vileness that human beings become when their rejection of God is complete.
The result is, while I'm sure that even the demons and fallen angels lament their punnishment... given a reprive they would do again the very things that damned them in the first place.
 
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