Oncedeceived
Senior Veteran
I think you and everyone else including me believe the things we believe because we feel we have good reason to believe what we believe.
Upvote
0
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
I think you and everyone else including me believe the things we believe because we feel we have good reason to believe what we believe.Like what?
Am I supposed to guess, or do you care to explain it?
Please understand that I understand, however, if there are true things that we know can't be demonstrated; we know then that truth is not only true if you can demonstrate it to be true. Do you disagree, if so why?Please try to comprehend the question I'm asking.
How can you KNOW that X is true, if it can't be shown to be true?
How do you differentiate X from something that is false, if you can't show X to be true?
How do you find out what is true and what isn't?
I think you and everyone else including me believe the things we believe because we feel we have good reason to believe what we believe.
Please understand that I understand
if there are true things that we know can't be demonstrated;
we know then that truth is not only true if you can demonstrate it to be true. Do you disagree, if so why?
We reject Islam because we know that God has revealed Himself in these last days, in His Son Jesus.Are you capable of giving straightforward answers???
Again, you said that you don't dissmiss Islam like I dissmiss all other religions.
Please explain. Note that I'm not asking you to explain why you DO believe in christianity. Rather, it is about why you do NOT believe in Islam.
You claimed that your rejection of islam is different from my rejection of religion in general. Please explain.
Why do you reject Islam and how is it any different from my rejection of, lets say, Hinduism.
We reject Islam because we know that God has revealed Himself in these last days, in His Son Jesus.
We reject Islam for the same reason you reject Flat-Earthism. You don't reject Flat-Earthism because you know everything there is to know about Flat-Earthism or because you are an expert on it. You reject it because you know the earth is round. Simple.
If Jesus was who the Bible claims He is
, then every other worldview that contradicts Christianity in this, is wrong in the same way any other answer besides "4" is wrong for the equation 2+2=
Meh. You would reject anything that conflicts with your worldview anyway, even if were supported by the preponderance of evidence.We reject Islam because we know that God has revealed Himself in these last days, in His Son Jesus.
We reject Islam for the same reason you reject Flat-Earthism. You don't reject Flat-Earthism because you know everything there is to know about Flat-Earthism or because you are an expert on it. You reject it because you know the earth is round. Simple.
If Jesus was who the Bible claims He is, then every other worldview that contradicts Christianity in this, is wrong in the same way any other answer besides "4" is wrong for the equation 2+2=
But we have addressed all of this already in these threads.
I am.Are you capable of giving straightforward answers???
I do not believe in Islam because God identifies as the God of the Bible and not the Islamic God. God being the God of the Bible can not be the God of the Bible and the Islamic God as the God of the Bible and the god of Islam are not one in the same.Again, you said that you don't dissmiss Islam like I dissmiss all other religions.
Please explain. Note that I'm not asking you to explain why you DO believe in christianity. Rather, it is about why you do NOT believe in Islam.
All religions worship different gods. God claims to be the God of the Bible. Reality confirms the God of the Bible.You claimed that your rejection of islam is different from my rejection of religion in general. Please explain.
Why do you reject Islam and how is it any different from my rejection of, lets say, Hinduism.
I disagree.Your posts don't show that at all.
There are many ways to determine truth. There are some truths that can't be demonstrated but are necessary to determine other truths. Yet, if there are truths that can't be demonstrated claiming that truth is only truth if it can be demonstrated is demonstrated to be incorrect.Then how can we know what those "true things" are, and that they are true at all?
We KNOW the sun rises every morning but we can't demonstrate that it will rise tomorrow morning. We know that the universe is orderly and can be studied and we can learn about it but we can't demonstrate that the order of the universe will be the same tomorrow as it is today.I'm not asking you about unkown truths to be true.
I'm asking you about KNOWING truths.
Why can't you understand that there are truths that can't be demonstrated and since there are, not all truth can be demonstrated?How can you know that X is true, if it can't be shown to be true? If it can't be differentiated from what is false?
If it were true as you say in this scenario, then all truth can't be demonstrated as I am claiming. Your analogy would prove that all true things can not be demonstrated. Now most certainly there are true things that can be demonstrated and those things we can have more certainty about them, but the statement truth must be demonstrated to be true is invalid and can't be demonstrated itself.Maybe an example will help, because this keeps going in rather silly circles....
Let's suppose that it is true that an undetectable, immaterial dragon follows me everywhere I go. We don't know this to be true, because an undectable immaterial dragon can't be demonstrated to exist.
So, the question is, how can we KNOW that such a dragon exists and follows me around, if it can't be shown to be the case?
Note that it can't be disproven either.
Don't act like that is irrational. You too evaluate things based on a priori beliefs as well. You must if you evaluate by scientific methods.So, you evaluate things based on a priori beliefs.
Do you consider that rational?
Which is why we believe in Christianity.Wrong.
I reject a flat earth because the evidence doesn't support the claims it makes.
Right, we all believe what best fits with reality.Having said that, "round earth" isn't just some other a priori "belief" that I have.
It's what the evidence actually supports.
You are misrepresenting the argument. We believe x due to the way x fits with reality and if y doesn't fit with reality and has opposing claims it is dismissed as untrue.Which is completely different from saying "I can't believe X, because I already dogmatically believe Y and it's mutually exclusive"
If...
We have reason, based on evidence to believe Christianity is true. You dismiss all religions in the same way because you have an a priori worldview that dismisses God or gods.indeed.
And if the universe was created 5 seconds ago, then every other worldview that contradicts that, is wrong.
So, to conclude......
If this is the case, then yes, you don't reject islam like I reject it.
I actually reject it based on reason (a lack of evidence), not just because I already happen to believe something else.......
I can't speak for everyone, but for me, atheism is the outcome of my assessment of religious claims.We have reason, based on evidence to believe Christianity is true. You dismiss all religions in the same way because you have an a priori worldview that dismisses God or gods.
Are you capable of giving straightforward answers???
Again, you said that you don't dissmiss Islam like I dissmiss all other religions.
Please explain. Note that I'm not asking you to explain why you DO believe in christianity. Rather, it is about why you do NOT believe in Islam.
You claimed that your rejection of islam is different from my rejection of religion in general. Please explain.
Why do you reject Islam and how is it any different from my rejection of, lets say, Hinduism.
Ok, but of course without any interaction with God limits your assessment. Not only that, atheism doesn't fit with reality as well IMO.I can't speak for everyone, but for me, atheism is the outcome of my assessment of religious claims.
I do not believe in Islam because God identifies as the God of the Bible and not the Islamic God. God being the God of the Bible can not be the God of the Bible and the Islamic God as the God of the Bible and the god of Islam are not one in the same.
All religions worship different gods. God claims to be the God of the Bible. Reality confirms the God of the Bible.
There are many ways to determine truth. There are some truths that can't be demonstrated but are necessary to determine other truths. Yet, if there are truths that can't be demonstrated claiming that truth is only truth if it can be demonstrated is demonstrated to be incorrect.
We KNOW the sun rises every morning but we can't demonstrate that it will rise tomorrow morning. We know that the universe is orderly and can be studied and we can learn about it but we can't demonstrate that the order of the universe will be the same tomorrow as it is today.
Why can't you understand that there are truths that can't be demonstrated and since there are, not all truth can be demonstrated?
If it were true as you say in this scenario, then all truth can't be demonstrated as I am claiming.
Your analogy would prove that all true things can not be demonstrated.
Don't act like that is irrational.
You too evaluate things based on a priori beliefs as well.
You must if you evaluate by scientific methods.
We have reason, based on evidence to believe Christianity is true.
You dismiss all religions in the same way because you have an a priori worldview that dismisses God or gods.
Ok, but of course without any interaction with God limits your assessment. Not only that, atheism doesn't fit with reality as well IMO.
In my assessment, there is no reason to believe that anyone has interacted with a god or gods.Ok, but of course without any interaction with God limits your assessment. Not only that, atheism doesn't fit with reality as well IMO.
I wasn't always a Christian.Translation: "I am not a muslim because I am already a christian..."
I have a multitude of reasoning for not believing Islam. Foremost and the most important is God's revelation to me personally, that doesn't mean that I haven't researched the Islamic faith.Great..... What a reasoned argument against Islam.... (not).
Wrong. The Bible only confirms what God has reveled to me personally. Don't get me know, I know that for you that isn't convincing and it shouldn't be but for someone that has it is.You mean... the Bible says it is correct and you happen to believe that.
Muhammad was a believer of the OT Bible and it is no surprise that his theology would be similar.[/Quote]The Quran makes the exact same claim though. And muslims happen to believe that one.
Is that so? So you don't think that believing that there are no gods is not based on your reality? Interesting.There's nothing in atheism TO fit with reality, because atheism doesn't make any claims about reality.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?