What is the "Parousia" in the New Testament

[godlovesmebest]

I was studying on the translation of Luke 15 concerning the "Prodigal Son", when the word for "substances/good" stuck out at me.

The word "ousia" means goods/substances which is used only twice in the NT, in Luke 16. The greek word "pa-rousia" also uses that root word.

It would appears parousia could symbolize "Father of Substances" perhaps.

I put both the english transliteration and the greek form of the words here. Just thought it was interesting. Thoughts?

http://www.talk-grace.com/index.php

3776. ousia oo-see'-ah from the feminine of 5607; substance, i.e. property (possessions):--goods, substance.
3962. pater pat-ayr' apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote):--father, parent.
3952. parousia par-oo-see'-ah from the present participle of 3918; a being near, i.e. advent (often, return;

3776 ousia/ousiaV (Strong's 3776) occurs 2 times in 2 verses:

3962 pater/ pathr <3962> (Strong's 3962) occurs 419 times in 372 verses:

3952 parousia/parousiaV (Strong's 3952) occurs 24 times in 24 verses:

Matthew 24:3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence/parousiaV <3952>, and of the full end/sunteleiaV <4930> of the age/aiwnoV <165>?'

Luke 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, 'Father, give me the portion/meroV <3313> of the substance/ousiaV <3776> falling/epiballon <1911> to [me]', and he divided to them the living.

Matthew 5:48 ye shall therefore be perfect/teleioi <5046>, as the Father/pathr <3962> of you who [is] in the heavens is perfect/teleioV <5046>.

 

[Chickapee]

Hi godlovesmebest..

It would appears parousia could symbolize "Father of Substances" perhaps.

wow I love them thoughts thanks !

I was also thnking yesterday of faith being the substance of things hoped for and the Hope being the seed substance of the'' holy thing '' Christ annointed
peace ..c

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Parousia means an apperance, and often specifically refers to the second apperance (return) of Christ.

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

It would appears parousia could symbolize "Father of Substances" perhaps.

The term parousia refers to the return of Jesus as judge for the Last Judgment

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

The term parousia refers to the return of Jesus as judge for the Last Judgment

Seconded.

 

[Chickapee]

Quote:
Originally Posted by IgnatiusOfAntioch
The term parousia refers to the return of Jesus as judge for the Last Judgment

Seconded.

Hi
Yes, I also see this as His Spirit returning to be poured out on all flesh

as the Promise was made through Faith by God from the beginning and GOD is keeping His promise



2Cr 8:9For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.Ephesians 4


1I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6One God and Father of all, who is above all,

and*** through all,*** and in you all.
7But unto every one of us is given grace

according to the ***measure of the gift of Christ.**
8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20But ye have not so learned Christ;
21If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


I see the Holy incorruptible Seed OF CHRIST as planted in the hearts of mankind [flesh] and Growing in truth and grace and many will testify of the Glory of God in this manner being born again by the SPIRIT of Grace and mercy of God
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed,[flesh and blood no inheritance but death] but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
this inheritance is the Promises of God fulfilled

PEACE ,, c

peace C ...

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

I was studying on the translation of Luke 15 concerning the "Prodigal Son", when the word for "substances/good" stuck out at me.

The word "ousia" means goods/substances which is used only twice in the NT, in Luke 16. The greek word "pa-rousia" also uses that root word.

It would appears parousia could symbolize "Father of Substances" perhaps.

I put both the english transliteration and the greek form of the words here. Just thought it was interesting. Thoughts?

http://www.talk-grace.com/index.php

3776. ousia oo-see'-ah from the feminine of 5607; substance, i.e. property (possessions):--goods, substance.
3962. pater pat-ayr' apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote):--father, parent.
3952. parousia par-oo-see'-ah from the present participle of 3918; a being near, i.e. advent (often, return;

3776 ousia/ousiaV (Strong's 3776) occurs 2 times in 2 verses:

3962 pater/ pathr <3962> (Strong's 3962) occurs 419 times in 372 verses:

3952 parousia/parousiaV (Strong's 3952) occurs 24 times in 24 verses:

Matthew 24:3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence/parousiaV <3952>, and of the full end/sunteleiaV <4930> of the age/aiwnoV <165>?'

Luke 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, 'Father, give me the portion/meroV <3313> of the substance/ousiaV <3776> falling/epiballon <1911> to [me]', and he divided to them the living.

Matthew 5:48 ye shall therefore be perfect/teleioi <5046>, as the Father/pathr <3962> of you who [is] in the heavens is perfect/teleioV <5046>.

The Parousia is the second coming.

It is not a compound of Pater and ousia

It is a compound of Para and eimi

 

[Rut]

I was studying on the translation of Luke 15 concerning the "Prodigal Son", when the word for "substances/good" stuck out at me.

The word "ousia" means goods/substances which is used only twice in the NT, in Luke 16. The greek word "pa-rousia" also uses that root word.

It would appears parousia could symbolize "Father of Substances" perhaps.

I put both the english transliteration and the greek form of the words here. Just thought it was interesting. Thoughts?

http://www.talk-grace.com/index.php

3776. ousia oo-see'-ah from the feminine of 5607; substance, i.e. property (possessions):--goods, substance.
3962. pater pat-ayr' apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote):--father, parent.
3952. parousia par-oo-see'-ah from the present participle of 3918; a being near, i.e. advent (often, return;

3776 ousia/ousiaV (Strong's 3776) occurs 2 times in 2 verses:

3962 pater/ pathr <3962> (Strong's 3962) occurs 419 times in 372 verses:

3952 parousia/parousiaV (Strong's 3952) occurs 24 times in 24 verses:

Matthew 24:3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence/parousiaV <3952>, and of the full end/sunteleiaV <4930> of the age/aiwnoV <165>?'

Luke 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, 'Father, give me the portion/meroV <3313> of the substance/ousiaV <3776> falling/epiballon <1911> to [me]', and he divided to them the living.

Matthew 5:48 ye shall therefore be perfect/teleioi <5046>, as the Father/pathr <3962> of you who [is] in the heavens is perfect/teleioV <5046>.

Can you explain little more about that please.

How can that be when the diciples ask what was his sign?

parousia


1) presence
2) the coming, arrival, advent a) the future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God


Root Word

from the present participle of 3918 pareimi

1) to be by, be at hand, to have arrived, to be present 2) to be ready, in store, at command

 

[godlovesmebest]

Can you explain little more about that please.

How can that be when the diciples ask what was his sign?

parousia


1) presence
2) the coming, arrival, advent a) the future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God


Root Word

from the present participle of 3918 pareimi

1) to be by, be at hand, to have arrived, to be present 2) to be ready, in store, at command

Hi. I am just doing a study on the word Parousia itself as it is only used 4 times in the Gospels, all in Matt 24.
There appears to be other greek words used for "coming/appearance". I am still working on this though and thank you for your thoughts.

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

pareimi (Strong's 3918) occurs 25 times in 22 verses:

John 7:6 Jesus, therefore, saith to them, `My time is not yet come/parestin <3918>, but your time is always ready;

Luke 21:27 `And then they shall see the Son of Man, coming/ercomenon <2064> in a cloud , with power and much glory;

parousia (Strong's 3952) occurs 24 times in 24 verses: [4 times in Gospels, Matt 24]

Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting/kaqhmenou <2521> on the mount/orouV <3735> of the Olives/elaiwn <1636>, the disciples came/proshlqon <4334> near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the sign/shmeion <4592> of the/thV <3588> thy/shV <4674> presence/parousiaV <3952>, and of the/thV <3588> full end/sunteleiaV <4930> of the age/aiwnoV <165>?'

Matthew 24:27 for as the lightning doth come forth from the east, and doth appear unto the west, so shall be also the presence/ parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man/anqrwpou <444> ;

Matthew 24:37 and as the days of Noah--so shall be also the presence/parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man/anqrwpou <444> ;

Matthew 24:39 and they did not know till the flood came and took all away; so shall be also the presence/ parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man/anqrwpou <444> .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I was studying on the translation of Luke 15 concerning the "Prodigal Son", when the word for "substances/good" stuck out at me.

The word "ousia" means goods/substances which is used only twice in the NT, in Luke 16. The greek word "pa-rousia" also uses that root word.

It would appears parousia could symbolize "Father of Substances" perhaps.

I put both the english transliteration and the greek form of the words here. Just thought it was interesting. Thoughts?

http://www.talk-grace.com/index.php

3776. ousia oo-see'-ah from the feminine of 5607; substance, i.e. property (possessions):--goods, substance.
3962. pater pat-ayr' apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote):--father, parent.
3952. parousia par-oo-see'-ah from the present participle of 3918; a being near, i.e. advent (often, return;

That is an interesting take on it expecially the use of it in Luke 15.
Can you possibly elaborate a little more on it please and where to you get your translation from if I can ask? Thanks.

Luke 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, 'Father/pater, give me the portion/meroV <3313> of the substance/ousiaV <3776> falling/on-casting/epiballon <1911> to [me]', and he divided to them the living.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Matthew 24:3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence/pa-rousiaV <3952>, and of the full end/sunteleiaV <4930> of the age/aiwnoV <165>?'

I am also trying to harmonize Dan 11 to the Olivet Discourse and another reason I am interested in that greek word "parousia". Could that be related to giving of rewards or substances? Thanks.

Luke 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, 'Father/pater, give me the portion/meroV <3313> of the substance/ousiaV <3776> falling/on-casting/epiballon <1911> to [me]', and he divided to them the living.

Dan 11:28 And He is returning to [a] land of Him in great substances/07399 r@kuwsh, and heart of Him on/against [a] Holy Covenant , and He makes/does and He returns to [a] land of him

7399 rkuwsh rek-oosh' or rkush {rek-oosh'}; from passive participle of 7408; property (as gathered):--good, riches, substance. AV &#8212; goods 12, substance 11, riches 5

 

[yashualover]

Hi. I am just doing a study on the word Parousia itself as it is only used 4 times in the Gospels, all in Matt 24.
There appears to be other greek words used for "coming/appearance". I am still working on this though and thank you for your thoughts.

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

pareimi (Strong's 3918) occurs 25 times in 22 verses:

John 7:6 Jesus, therefore, saith to them, `My time is not yet come/parestin <3918>, but your time is always ready;

Luke 21:27 `And then they shall see the Son of Man, coming/ercomenon <2064> in a cloud , with power and much glory;

parousia (Strong's 3952) occurs 24 times in 24 verses: [4 times in Gospels, Matt 24]

Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting/kaqhmenou <2521> on the mount/orouV <3735> of the Olives/elaiwn <1636>, the disciples came/proshlqon <4334> near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the sign/shmeion <4592> of the/thV <3588> thy/shV <4674> presence/parousiaV <3952>, and of the/thV <3588> full end/sunteleiaV <4930> of the age/aiwnoV <165>?'

Matthew 24:27 for as the lightning doth come forth from the east, and doth appear unto the west, so shall be also the presence/ parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man/anqrwpou <444> ;

Matthew 24:37 and as the days of Noah--so shall be also the presence/parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man/anqrwpou <444> ;

Matthew 24:39 and they did not know till the flood came and took all away; so shall be also the presence/ parousia <3952> of the Son of the Man/anqrwpou <444> .

godlovesmebest said,
Hi. I am just doing a study on the word Parousia itself as it is only used 4 times in the Gospels, all in Matt 24.


That's funny, I did a search for parousia and it can not be found in the bible.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

godlovesmebest said,
Hi. I am just doing a study on the word Parousia itself as it is only used 4 times in the Gospels, all in Matt 24.


That's funny, I did a search for parousia and it can not be found in the bible.

Umm . . . yes it is . . . 1 Cor 16:17 is one instance.

 

[dcyates]

I was studying on the translation of Luke 15 concerning the "Prodigal Son", when the word for "substances/good" stuck out at me.

The word "ousia" means goods/substances which is used only twice in the NT, in Luke 16. The greek word "pa-rousia" also uses that root word.

It would appears parousia could symbolize "Father of Substances" perhaps.

I put both the english transliteration and the greek form of the words here. Just thought it was interesting. Thoughts?

http://www.talk-grace.com/index.php

3776. ousia oo-see'-ah from the feminine of 5607; substance, i.e. property (possessions):--goods, substance.
3962. pater pat-ayr' apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote):--father, parent.
3952. parousia par-oo-see'-ah from the present participle of 3918; a being near, i.e. advent (often, return;

3776 ousia/ousiaV (Strong's 3776) occurs 2 times in 2 verses:

3962 pater/ pathr <3962> (Strong's 3962) occurs 419 times in 372 verses:

3952 parousia/parousiaV (Strong's 3952) occurs 24 times in 24 verses:

Matthew 24:3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence/parousiaV <3952>, and of the full end/sunteleiaV <4930> of the age/aiwnoV <165>?'

Luke 15:12 and the younger of them said to the father, 'Father, give me the portion/meroV <3313> of the substance/ousiaV <3776> falling/epiballon <1911> to [me]', and he divided to them the living.

Matthew 5:48 ye shall therefore be perfect/teleioi <5046>, as the Father/pathr <3962> of you who [is] in the heavens is perfect/teleioV <5046>.

The Greek term 'parousia' literally means "presence," as opposed to "absence," and there are instances where Paul uses it like this (e.g. Phil 2.12) with nuances of "appearance." It was specifically used to designate the ceremonial arrival of, for example, the Roman emperor at a subject city or colony.

Although Jesus is not presently 'absent' from the Church as such, when he 'appears' (e.g. Col 3.4; 1 Jn 3.2) in his 'second coming' this will be, in effect, an 'arrival' like that of the emperor, and Paul utilizes the word this way in 1 Cor 15.23; 1 Thess 2.19; etc. In the Gospels it is only found in Matt 24 (vv. 3, 27, 37, 39).

 

[yashualover]

Umm . . . yes it is . . . 1 Cor 16:17 is one instance.

I still do not see it with the scriptures you gave me.

1Co 16:17 (1161) I am glad5463 of1909 the3588 coming3952 of Stephanas4734 and2532 Fortunatus5415 and2532 Achaicus:883 for3754 that which was lacking5303 on your part5216 they3778 have supplied.378
1Co 16:18 For1063 they have refreshed373 my1699 spirit4151 and2532 yours:5216 therefore3767 acknowledge1921 ye them that are such.5108
1Co 16:19 The3588 churches1577 of Asia773 salute782 you.5209 Aquila207 and2532 Priscilla4252 salute782 you5209 much4183 in1722 the Lord,2962 with4862 the3588 church1577 that is in2596 their848 house.3624
1Co 16:20 All3956 the3588 brethren80 greet782 you.5209 Greet782 ye one another240 with1722 a holy40 kiss.5370
1Co 16:21 The3588 salutation783 of me Paul3972 with mine own1699 hand.5495
1Co 16:22 If any man1536 love5368 not3756 the3588 Lord2962 Jesus2424 Christ,5547 let him be2277 Anathema331 Maranatha.3134
1Co 16:23 The3588 grace5485 of our Lord2962 Jesus2424 Christ5547 be with3326 you.5216
1Co 16:24 My3450 love26 be with3326 you5216 all3956 in1722 Christ5547 Jesus.2424 Amen.281

 

[dcyates]

I still do not see it with the scriptures you gave me.

1Co 16:17(1161) I am glad5463 of1909 the3588 coming3952 of Stephanas4734 and2532 Fortunatus5415 and2532 Achaicus:883 for3754 that which was lacking5303 on your part5216 they3778 have supplied.378
1Co 16:18 For1063 they have refreshed373 my1699 spirit4151 and2532 yours:5216 therefore3767 acknowledge1921 ye them that are such.5108
1Co 16:19 The3588 churches1577 of Asia773 salute782 you.5209 Aquila207 and2532 Priscilla4252 salute782 you5209 much4183 in1722 the Lord,2962 with4862 the3588 church1577 that is in2596 their848 house.3624
1Co 16:20 All3956 the3588 brethren80 greet782 you.5209 Greet782 ye one another240 with1722 a holy40 kiss.5370
1Co 16:21 The3588 salutation783 of me Paul3972 with mine own1699 hand.5495
1Co 16:22 If any man1536 love5368 not3756 the3588 Lord2962 Jesus2424 Christ,5547 let him be2277 Anathema331 Maranatha.3134
1Co 16:23 The3588 grace5485 of our Lord2962 Jesus2424 Christ5547be with3326 you.5216
1Co 16:24 My3450 love26be with3326 you5216 all3956 in1722 Christ5547 Jesus.2424 Amen.281

#3952 above should be 'parousia'.

It reads in Greek (and then below that, transliterated into English):
v. 17 cairw de epi th parousia Stefana kai Fortounatou kai Acaikou, oti to umeteron usterhma outoi aneplhrwsan

v. 17 chairo de epi te parousia Stephana kai Fortunatou kai Achaikou, oti to humeteron husterema houtoi aneplerosan

 

[yashualover]

#3952 above should be 'parousia'.

It reads in Greek (and then below that, transliterated into English):
v. 17 cairw de epi th parousia Stefana kai Fortounatou kai Acaikou, oti to umeteron usterhma outoi aneplhrwsan

v. 17 chairo de epi te parousia Stephana kai Fortunatou kai Achaikou, oti to humeteron husterema houtoi aneplerosan

Your right, I see that in the greek. Now I've got to figure out how or why you are using it.

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3952

 

[yashualover]

Can you explain little more about that please.

How can that be when the diciples ask what was his sign?

parousia


1) presence
2) the coming, arrival, advent a) the future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God




Root Word

from the present participle of 3918 pareimi

1) to be by, be at hand, to have arrived, to be present 2) to be ready, in store, at command

Good point, it reminds me of a verse that the kingdom of God is at hand, I'll try to find some verses.

Mat 4:17 From then on, Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near!"

Mat 24:37For just as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes.
Mat 24:38In those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage right up to the day when Noah went into the ark.
Mat 24:39They were unaware of what was happening until the flood came and swept all of them away. That's how it will be when the Son of Man comes.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Could the "parousia" of Christ be symbolized by the "armies/hosts" that surround and desolate "jerusalem/judea"?
Matthew is the only place in the Gospels that this word is mentioned btw. Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> , and of the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?'

James 5:8 be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye, that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

Luke 21:20 Whenever yet ye may be perceiving being compassed by armies/hosts, Jerusalem, then be ye knowing that has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758) the Desolating of Her.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What is the difference between "arriving" and "coming". I am looking for similar greek words for "parousia".

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matthew 25:31 `Whenever yet may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632) the Son of the Man in the Glory of Him, and all the holy messengers with Him, then he shall be seating upon a throne of Glory of Him";

Luke 13:29 "And they shall be arriving/hxousin <2240> (5692) from east/risings and west, and from north and south, and they shall be being reclined in the Kingdom of the God".