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Most people are not murders. Most people are not thieves. Most people would hold a door open for an elderly person that's walking in behind them. Yet, most people wouldn't sacrifice their life for a complete stranger. Although I am a pessimist, that doesn't make me blind to the fact that the average person doesn't do much to make waves, good or bad.I disagree, nearly all of humanity is horrible and the small amount that isn't is far too busy to deal with the horribleness of the rest to achieve anything usefull. Better give evolution a mulligan.
-_- committing genocide of biblical proportions to end crime is not the moral high ground, given that the majority of humanity are fairly neutral to mildly good people.
Statistics on that would be fairly difficult to get for the world as a whole, given that child sexual abuse isn't even a crime in many countries, and it is a fairly under-reported crime. However, using the USA as an example country, and acting as if all child abuse reported were legitimate abuse and sexual in nature, the number would be about 10% of children are sexually abused. Of course, certain aspects of my math that are fairly obvious would inflate that number.
I think education on child-to-child sexual abuse to parents would help a lot in these situations.
Flawed though we may be, we are still a social species. You and I wouldn't be appalled at people hurting each other if this was a predisposition our species had.
This has got to be the scariest one. Almost all the answers people have, in this thread and elsewhere, are reactionary in nature, but that clearly would have little effect. Or, at best, what we do now already is good enough. Whatever we would try to do has to be preventative which means requiring things of people who haven't done anything wrong. How many people won't see that as trampling all over their rights? And they wouldn't be wrong either.95% of sex crimes are committed by those with no criminal record.
It is the scariest one, particularly in the UK and United States where we spend millions and millions of dollars in reactionary policies: Sexual offender registration and notification (because we want to see the nasty stuff our neighbors have been up to), keeping sexual offenders away from parks/schools/daycares, civil commitment... Studies have been done on all these areas, and not only do they find no significant impact on recidivism or crime levels, many researchers have found that some of these policies (like registering juvenile offenders) make societal problems worse.This has got to be the scariest one. Almost all the answers people have, in this thread and elsewhere, are reactionary in nature, but that clearly would have little effect. Or, at best, what we do now already is good enough.
Combined with the fact that 97% of sex offenders have trauma in their childhood, we would not need to require anything of anyone - maybe mandatory mental health screening would be good, but having mentoring programs and getting the right care for those with trauma in childhood, when the trauma happens would be more important than just mental health screening. Sort of like a childhood trauma response protocol of some kind.Whatever we would try to do has to be preventative which means requiring things of people who haven't done anything wrong. How many people won't see that as trampling all over their rights? And they wouldn't be wrong either.
Health support courses for later elementary/junior/senior high would be good- mental health is not taught much in schools these days, to our detriment. You would not even really need formal treatment so much as teaching kids techniques like mindful breathing, and how to get support when they need it.I guess it comes down to wanting to live in a society where people want to give up some of their rights for the greater good and convincing them that whatever is done is a good, and more importantly, productive endeavor.
There may well be a good amount of support to have things added to high school health courses, like directing people to help with the sort of mental health issues that lead to abuse (pedophilia being only one of them). A lot of people think all of psychology is "pseudo science" though. My wife, for example, wouldn't ever speak two words to a psychiatrist.
I believe if you defunded the reactionary policies aimed at sex offenders that do not appear to have any impact on safety when studied, the funding would take care of itself.That's not to mention funding...
Or They Use something else to sexually abuse their next victim.It's a mind thing. They know it's wrong to sexually abuse someone. But they did it anyways. Because the brain makes them want too. And They Cant Control Their Urges .Castration and jail time. Simple and effective, people learn from their mistakes and good deterrent.
How much research have you read into the motivations of sexual abuse? In my experience, they vary widely, and many people can learn to control their *behavior* through knowing what they need and how to meet that need in a healthier way. Just over one-third of abuse is perpetrated by children with sexual behavior issues, and 97% of them never hurt anyone else sexually. There is plenty of evidence out there that therapy is quite effective and recidivism is low.Or They Use something else to sexually abuse their next victim.It's a mind thing. They know it's wrong to sexually abuse someone. But they did it anyways. Because the brain makes them want too. And They Cant Control Their Urges .
They claim to control their urges. Until they get caught again. Never trust a child molester. They know they shouldn't do it the first time. They cant control their urges. Or they wouldn't have done it the first time. And if someone needs therapy. Then you know they cant help it.How much research have you read into the motivations of sexual abuse? In my experience, they vary widely, and many people can learn to control their *behavior* through knowing what they need and how to meet that need in a healthier way. Just over one-third of abuse is perpetrated by children with sexual behavior issues, and 97% of them never hurt anyone else sexually. There is plenty of evidence out there that therapy is quite effective and recidivism is low.
The statistics I cited in my OP do not lie, and I have seen many other studies besides the ones I linked. Are you suggesting that the recidivism studies are flawed? Do you think the researchers are part of a conspiracy theory? Even if you inflated some of them to account for underreporting, you still end up with the same reality: Most adjudicated child molesters, particularly the one-third that are children themselves, do not cause further harm to the community, which of itself demonstrates that they can control their *behavior*.They claim to control their urges. Until they get caught again. Never trust a child molester. They know they shouldn't do it the first time. They cant control their urges. Or they wouldn't have done it the first time. And if someone needs therapy. Then you know they cant help it.
I agree with much of what you said, particularly the distinction between pedophilia and sexual abuse, except this part. Pedophilia is no doubt at least partly genetic: James Cantor did fMRI research into the brains of pedophiles, and found that pedophilia seems to be in the brain's connections, its wiring, much in the same way that autism and schizophrenia is in the brain's wiring. Some (like Paul Federoff) have suggested that pedophilia can change, however, there are many other researchers who disagree with the methods he used in his study (I wrote an analysis of that here).but as for pedophilia.
if it's not a chemical imbalance it could be caused by another issue or multiple. if so we are a bit more damned but we could look at each specific issue and try to solve it.
it could be genetic. we don't know that much about our genetics and genetics are the framework of everything. if it is genetic we can simply correct it at birth. in which case funding projects to end pedophilia and funding projects for designer baby's/genetic editing would be helpful
There are already outlets that cause no harm. Much like a conservative Christian homosexual can refrain from entering a same-sex romantic relationship, pedophiles can refrain from harming children. There is much evidence to support this, given that only one-third of abusers are pedophilic, and by the estimates we have, most pedophiles do not harm children.if nothing as above works and we are just stuck with them then maybe find an outlet that causes no one harm.
or maybe send them all to some space colony on an asteroid somewhere and have them work.
Bingo. To form a comprehensive prevention plan, one must consider what is fair to existing abusers, the research that has been done on adjudicated abusers, the research that has been done in general, the perspective and rights of victims, educating the public, how most people will perceive the plan and how to sell them on the plan, and of course, the perspectives of experts from multiple areas: Helping victims, helping abusers, helping communities, nonprofits, law enforcement, etc.really no matter what you do someone is going to get offended somehow. but it is a tricky topic simply because you have to think of all perspective's
Isn't that a bit like the famous question in Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock?There you have it. What is the best way to end the epidemic of child sexual abuse, while remaining the most ethical?
No, it is not like that at all. Your proposed solution does not address the realities of who perpetrates abuse. Even if we did kill abusers when we are made aware of them, we would have an impact of less than 10%, depending on location.Isn't that a bit like the famous question in Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock?
"How can you get a permit for a !@#$%^ illegal act?"
The only way to stop it is by definition unethical. Kill the perp.
(I don´t think "epidemic" is the correct word - because it suggest a sudden rise.)There you have it. What is the best way to end the epidemic of child sexual abuse, while remaining the most ethical?
In case you are unfamiliar with the issue, here are a few facts to get you started (though, remember, there is much more to this issue than can be summed up in a list of statistics):
So, what is your solution? How do you propose we ethically end this epidemic, without trampling on people's rights?
- Child sexual abuse affects roughly 13-20% of children in the US, and between 10-20% of children worldwide. It is thought that boys are just as much affected by sexual abuse as girls, but more boys do not report abuse.
- 92-96% of abuse allegations are true, and those that are false typically originate with adults.
- Roughly 38-50% of abuse is reported to the police.
- 93% of perpetrators are people known and trusted in the community.
- 95% of sex crimes are committed by those with no criminal record.
- Sexual recidivism among child sex offenders is lower than that of other sex offenders, on average around 4-8%, in California, as low as .6%. It is more common for sex offenders to recidivate with a non-sexual crime, like a probation/parole violation or failure to register.
- 81% of sex abuse happens in a one-on-one situation, and 77% is committed in a residence.
- 97% of sex offenders have at least one adverse childhood experience in their background.
- One-third of contact child sex offenders have pedophilia, and two-thirds of offenders with sexual abuse material have pedophilia.
The numbers I have seen put abuse of girls under age 20 at or over 25%.1. Child sexual abuse affects roughly 13-20% of children in the US, and between 10-20% of children worldwide. It is thought that boys are just as much affected by sexual abuse as girls, but more boys do not report abuse.
See post 44.The numbers I have seen put abuse of girls under age 20 at or over 25%.
Did. Understated.See post 44.
They also cite the bad information of Gene Abel, who has an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to how much of a scientific fraud he is.Did. Understated.
Russell Study:
This study revealed that up to 38% of women were molested before turning 18 years old. This same study found that up to 16% of boys are molested before they turn 18 years old. Dr. Russell also discovered that only 5% of child sexual abuse had been reported to law enforcement.
http://religionnews.com/2014/01/09/startling-statistics/
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