What is the meaning behind existence, in your view?

[pastor marty]

Is belief in your God the meaning behind existence, as you see it, then?

Not 'my God',mate. The GOD.By the way, there's a nice video on "VATICAN" site . Pope meet/greets (makes friends with ) a whole crowd o'Buddist Monks. Eternal stuff can be described as an "IS". Like math is.matter is,energy is, time is,(always was & will be) GOD IS. These things 'are" whether we can perceive/believe/conceive/ etc or not.

 

[ananda]

Not 'my God',mate. The GOD.By the way, there's a nice video on "VATICAN" site . Pope meet/greets (makes friends with ) a whole crowd o'Buddist Monks. Eternal stuff can be described as an "IS". Like math is.matter is,energy is, time is,(always was & will be) GOD IS. These things 'are" whether we can perceive/believe/conceive/ etc or not.

Which direction do you go to find your god, towards the inner world, or the outer world?

 

[pastor marty]

Meaning would reasonably have to be generated by individuals for it to be fulfilling, rather than to have one thrust upon you from outside yourself. As subjective as it may be, it's more realistic as to meaning in its essence rather than reducing us to a function, something teleological in a mechanical sense rather than a purpose which can be provisional and change as goals are met or priorities adjust.

My meaning of life is different than a meaning behind or underpinning life itself. The latter has no meaning, it merely has existence. Those who have the capacity to comprehend can discern that meaning is a motivator factor to actions and the will as well. Animals don't have a purpose to life, they serve functions as they experience life much faster in comparison and don't have the seeming ability to contemplate their life's meanings. They shouldn't, however, be reduced to a means, which is another thing entirely that connects to ethics more than whatever one might call the study of the meaning of life (teleology, perhaps?)

2 many words w/2 much crossreference 2 unrelated subjects.I hear your cry of confusion."He who knows,speaks little.He who doesn't-much" ZEN proverb

 

[pastor marty]

Which direction do you go to find your god, towards the inner world, or the outer world?

 

[pastor marty]

Ho Toi (the laughing Budda) There is a direct molecular link(atom bumps atom) between U & ME & the star Antares,my friends stinky horsebarn;everything or unthing; and GOD & HIS cosmos. A bigger boggle of a question is where 'ISN'T' GOD.

 

[pastor marty]

Which direction do you go to find your god, towards the inner world, or the outer world?

"I seek 2 know the mind of GOD,all else is details" EINSTEIN

 

[ananda]

Ho Toi (the laughing Budda) There is a direct molecular link(atom bumps atom) between U & ME & the star Antares,my friends stinky horsebarn;everything or unthing; and GOD & HIS cosmos. A bigger boggle of a question is where 'ISN'T' GOD.

You do not identify with the standard Christian view of god, that he is external to the self?

 

[pastor marty]

Meaning would reasonably have to be generated by individuals for it to be fulfilling, rather than to have one thrust upon you from outside yourself. As subjective as it may be, it's more realistic as to meaning in its essence rather than reducing us to a function, something teleological in a mechanical sense rather than a purpose which can be provisional and change as goals are met or priorities adjust.

My meaning of life is different than a meaning behind or underpinning life itself. The latter has no meaning, it merely has existence. Those who have the capacity to comprehend can discern that meaning is a motivator factor to actions and the will as well. Animals don't have a purpose to life, they serve functions as they experience life much faster in comparison and don't have the seeming ability to contemplate their life's meanings. They shouldn't, however, be reduced to a means, which is another thing entirely that connects to ethics more than whatever one might call the study of the meaning of life (teleology, perhaps?)

My cosmic theory slept w/ur pocket universe axiom & produced a parallel dimension where whatever will B will B. (Tee Hee !)

 

[pastor marty]

You do not identify with the standard Christian view of god, that he is external to the self?

I paraphrase my friend Jesus.Sorry if some of the others got sloshed at that "water 2 wine"wedding bash & forgot our masters love of "Aesops fables" & confusing His enemies (SAD ucees & Romans ) with verbal conundrums.What std. Christian view ??If I stand outside you ,I am outside you (I think?)

 

[ananda]

I paraphrase my friend Jesus.Sorry if some of the others got sloshed at that "water 2 wine"wedding bash & forgot our masters love of "Aesops fables" & confusing His enemies (SAD ucees & Romans ) with verbal conundrums.What std. Christian view ??If I stand outside you ,I am outside you (I think?)

Standard Christian view being that God is separate from the self, therefore God is external to the self.

 

[durangodawood]

How can anything not be sensible or definable according to logical standards?....

How should I know? But I surely cant declare that such a thing is not possible.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Which direction do you go to find your god, towards the inner world, or the outer world?

Neither, since I don't believe in the literal existence of any God.

However, if we get "symbolic" or "aesthetic" about the issue, I still wouldn't choose any of the above layers. I'd probably look to personal potential (one's ideal self) as a symbolic kind of god. Perhaps that would refer to the "inner world" as a whole, but wouldn't really fit on the chart in any literal way, since there is no part of oneself that is one's ideal self -- that's more of a power one has to actualize one's nature along a certain path, and it is difficult to pin that down to any particular layer.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Noxot]

we are the meaning.

 

[ananda]

Neither, since I don't believe in the literal existence of any God.

However, if we get "symbolic" or "aesthetic" about the issue, I still wouldn't choose any of the above layers. I'd probably look to personal potential (one's ideal self) as a symbolic kind of god. Perhaps that would refer to the "inner world" as a whole, but wouldn't really fit on the chart in any literal way, since there is no part of oneself that is one's ideal self -- that's more of a power one has to actualize one's nature along a certain path, and it is difficult to pin that down to any particular layer.


eudaimonia,

Mark

I would suggest that you're working towards the "inner world" which involves stripping off that which is less than ideal in order to reach the ideal.

 

[bhsmte]

"I seek 2 know the mind of GOD,all else is details" EINSTEIN

How do you go about seeking to know the mind of God in a reliable and verifiable way?

 

[1213]

Does love lead to peace, if love can be lost?

If you lose love, then love doesn’t lead you to peace, because you have no love.

 

[pastor marty]

Neither, since I don't believe in the literal existence of any God.

However, if we get "symbolic" or "aesthetic" about the issue, I still wouldn't choose any of the above layers. I'd probably look to personal potential (one's ideal self) as a symbolic kind of god. Perhaps that would refer to the "inner world" as a whole, but wouldn't really fit on the chart in any literal way, since there is no part of oneself that is one's ideal self -- that's more of a power one has to actualize one's nature along a certain path, and it is difficult to pin that down to any particular layer.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Mr. Spinoza; "I call him free who serves a reasonable Savoir."

 

[pastor marty]

How do you go about seeking to know the mind of God in a reliable and verifiable way?

Aristotle would say follow the logic chain. If GOD is perfect/good then any thought/idea any of us ever have which is life affirming is by definition a Godly thing. Conversely all evil intent is B.A.D.

 

[bhsmte]

Aristotle would say follow the logic chain. If GOD is perfect/good then any thought/idea any of us ever have which is life affirming is by definition a Godly thing. Conversely all evil intent is B.A.D.

I have heard many rationalizations for this, but maybe you have something different.

How do you reconcile a perfect/good God, with the realities of the world?

 

[pastor marty]

I have heard many rationalizations for this, but maybe you have something different.

How do you reconcile a perfect/good God, with the realities of the world?To have created a cosmos with sentient life,that life must presume that it's glad He did.Nasty bugs get into my perfectly good vegetable patch & engage in Insect Armageddon while voraciously gobbling my crop. Yin/Yang. Real world people create all/own disasters.Nothing wrong w/planet culling the Human heard wouldn't cure.The macro/mirco universe confounds physics by needing a GOD/overmind to program the initial formulation (big-bang) & set in place the evolution of time/life/space/matter etc that follows. A real mobius strip/paradox (GOD works in mysterious ways) conundrum.Science/magic/GOD/man/ merge on a quantum level.Ultimately we only need to know enough to avoid the hungry Bear.Be as much like any life affirming/extending immortal being who may exist & hope for the best. What else can ya' do ??