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Zzub said:How much of the Bible is myth?
How much simply isn't true?
shinbits said:Yes it does; it affects the individuals in a population via mutations.
According to evolulution, mutations causes evolution to happen; without mutations there is no evolution. What you've said is in error.
Zzub said:By denying the fall of Adam. By denying that death comes from sin, by having millions of creatures die before sin entered the world. By denying that there was a literal Adam and Eve and a perfect world without sin. What was God saying "It is very good" while Adam and Eve are standing in the midst of vicious creatures and sickness and disease? Come on!
Willtor said:I think Genesis is (at least) largely mythical. I think of apocalyptic literature as a sort of myth (of the future). Gluadys will, no doubt, correct this (mis?) use of the term, but as far as a non-technical use of the word goes, I think you get my semantics.
gluadys said:I have more problem with your timeline than your genre this time.
I would describe apocalypse as a mystical allegory of the present. The writer's present that is, not ours.
It always amuses me to see notices of "Prophetical Conferences" that turn out to be all about apocalypses and never study Amos 5, Micah 6 or Isaiah 58. Those are truly great prophetical texts.
How much of the Bible is myth?
How much simply isn't true?
Willtor said:Surely the return of Christ, new Heaven, and new Earth are future events (both for the author and for us). They contain something of the promise that as awful as things are and may become, there is hope in the sovereignty of God.
gluadys said:True, but they were expecting it fairly immediately. They didn't expect that it would still be in our future.
However, that is why Revelation is useful to us. Since the eschatalogical parousia is still to come, Revelation provides an example of how to stand faithful in times of persecution, whether in ancient Rome or today's Islamic nations, where conversion to Christianity is a capital crime.
shernren said:I'd say the majority of the Bible is myth, excluding didactic and poetic passages such as Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Epistles. (And if you know what the word "myth" means to me, you should not be scandalized or shocked by such an answer. See The Scientific Myth of Creationism.)
And the entire Bible is true.
Deistic and Pelegian implications.
To be sure, to be sure. But no matter whether they thought the second coming of Christ was imminent, it was still a future event. I tend to think Revelation is to the future as Genesis is to the past. Now, I could be wrong in this assessment, and feel free to tell me I'm way off base.
shernren said:. . .
I think that there is in Revelations and in the general doctrine of the Kingdom of God a tension between
future: "He will come again!" and
present: "He is coming again!"
One interesting aspect of the doctrine of the Kingdom of God in the gospels is the recognition that (unlike in Judaism) the coming of the Kingdom of God was / is not an instantaneous event. There is the inauguration of the Kingdom (in the Gospels), the progressive revealing of the children of God (Romans 8) and the consummation of the Kingdom (Revelations, etc.). Therefore it is possible for us to be citizens of the Kingdom of God already, and yet still waiting for its fulfillment in an unsaved world. And again I find that a lot of evangelical prophetic interpretation is geared towards recognizing the consummation of the Kingdom at a fixed-point in space time - the future, far or near - drowning out the present message of the inaugurated Kingdom with its demands of citizenship. Another "scientific" myth?
Wiltor said:Why not?
SoldierOfTheKing said:Because Christianity is not Platonic philosophy, concerned with a spiritual reality seperate from the physical. The crucifiction as a historical event is not diiferent from the atonement. The atonement was accomplished on the cross. (Collossians 1:20)
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