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What is the heart of the debate?
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I think we are fighting philosophy. At the time of Paul the Greeks believed that the earth was very ancient, spontaneous production, pre-Adam man, and local flood.
Take the word science out, and we still see the same beliefs, that Paul and the Apostles, including the early Church Fathers refuted.
Because the scientific community has created theories, TEs say these beliefs of the Greeks are not the same as those taught by the scientific community.
Seriously though, can you not see the that they are the very exact same beliefs, but they have now been 'scientized?'
Take the word science out, and we still see the same beliefs, that Paul and the Apostles, including the early Church Fathers refuted.
Because the scientific community has created theories, TEs say these beliefs of the Greeks are not the same as those taught by the scientific community.
Seriously though, can you not see the that they are the very exact same beliefs, but they have now been 'scientized?'
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keyarch
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I think we are arguing against both science and philosophy when the science is based on presuppositions rather than fact and when they deal with history that cannot be tested within the definition of science. At the core of the debate is the reliability of the Bible as the Word of God. In other words, to take Genesis 1 and 2 as factual events, one cannot hold to evolution. If you open the door to evolution, then you erode the Bible and have to treat Genesis 1 and 2 as allegory.CPman2004 said:
For me personally, I came to faith in Christ by confronting the evolution/creation debate head on. I had previously accepted the evolution model based on the typical public indoctrination and although it didnt make total sense to me, I had no reason to worry about it. Then when I actually studied the issue in more depth, I concluded that life had to be created and then on to whom the creator was, etc.
For this reason, when I see Christians defending evolution, I am dismayed and at a loss as to how one can defend the Bible and witness to others with that view of origins. Im sure that Ill get slapped by a TE for these comments, but I really dont get it.
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Marshall Janzen
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Don't worry, there's no slaps allowed in this forum.keyarch said:
If you're serious about not getting it, I encourage you to post your questions in the main forum so that TEs like myself can respond in detail.
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CPman2004 said:
It's neodarwinism that is at the heart of the controversy, not scientic method per se. Scientific method as we know it started in 1676 with the experimentum crucis of Sir Issac Newton.
Newton identified 7 properties of light and the leading hypothesis was that white light was actually composed of seven colors. The standard of proof according to Newton and main stream western science ever since, was that for something to be a fact of science it had to be directly observed and demonstrated in a repeatable way:
If the arrival of the modern scientific age could be pinpointed to a particular moment and a particular place, it would be 27 April 1676 at the Royal Society, for it was on that day that the result obtained in a meticulous experiment-experimentum crucis-were found to fit with the hypothesis, so transforming a hypothesis into a demonstratable theory (Issac Newton, The Last Sorcerer, by Michael White)
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