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No, when it went from Kingdom back to the kingdoms of man.You have been arguing that the Church lost its vision of the spiritual kingdom of God when it went from being Jewish to Gentile. But now you admit that the Jews did not have the vision of the spiritual, either. And your comeback is that two wrongs don't make a right????
No just putting forth the Gospel of the Kingdom. Of course that was seen as radical in it's time also. Man doesn't change when faced with God's truth over man's truth. The institutions/governance of man model each other. God's Kingdom stand alone in it's identity.I am starting to realize how radical you are. You do sound like you are advocating something that sounds like a form of the New Age Movement.
I noticed that you avoided my sex question.
Do you go to church every week?
Final canonization means nothing. That's like a talentless recording studio picking out a greatest hit album of a talented musician.
As I said the canon was all but established before Constantine. But it would have to include Kingdom so they could build their own and call it God's will.And besides, the easier the canonization is, the easier it would be for a corrupt church to select the false gospel over the true one.
No, when it went from Kingdom back to the kingdoms of man.
As I said the canon was all but established before Constantine. But it would have to include Kingdom so they could build their own and call it God's will.
Canon is irrelevant. What is in the scripture is what matters and that is Kingdom vs world of man. Can a church teach Kingdom of God and live in the ways of man?How do you know that the corrupt Church did not forge the evidence that determine that "the canon was all but established". That is the problem with your position. If true then everything is suspect.
Because it has nothing to do with the OP but I do believe in a proper union and holding to commitments. That falls under loving all as self.
No.. not feasible. If course neither is it necessary as real church is people in servitude to each other, not through a middleman like the Pharisees/Sadducees insisted upon..
Not if they ignore the Gospel of the Kingdom, Jesus' only Gospel.So since you reject a middleman, it looks like you do not go to a church where some middleman preaches to you what the Word of God says.
YOU keep saying that but I keep telling you I'm more old school old age movement. The time of the Jesus and the Apostles and the Way. Before the gentiles took over and made it back into the image of man 's world.More and more you are sounding like a proponent of the New Age Movement
(you refuse to say otherwise so you force me to believe this)
What do see is the gospel?
Not if they ignore the Gospel of the Kingdom, Jesus' only Gospel.
YOU keep saying that but I keep telling you I'm more old school old age movement. The time of the Jesus and the Apostles and the Way. Before the gentiles took over and made it back into the image of man 's world.
How can I force you to believe anything . You're just not wanting to hear anything but your way. I'm quite familiar with that way. Heard it for years before getting into the Gospel of the Kingdom for myself. But you are welcome to it.
Luke 4: 43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
Mark 1: 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Matthew 4: 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom...
Matthew 24: 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 9: 35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom
Kingdom.. God's governance versus the governance of man. They chose the latter.You keep on saying this but you present no evidence that they ignored it.
No idea about either.The New Age Movement would also say that they are going back to Jesus and the apostles. All liberals do that. They say they are getting back to the real historical Jesus instead of the Christ of [the Catholic] Faith.
Glad to hear it. They completely put the governance of God before the governance of man and they love all in the world as self. Yet... for some reason the Christian religion took the Adversary's offer of all this can be yours and worked together with the Empire and others since to not only rule in the same way as other governments of man over the centuries, but become a world power with human wealth and territory and became king creators themselves (wrong kings and wrong world). Something fell by the wayside and the seed became unfruitful in Christianity except for a minority within who reject the world man has made in favour of the real Kingdom and reject the same deal Christianity made as did the Pharisees with the Romans, partnership in controlling the massesWell, if that is what you define as the gospel, the kingdom of God, then the Catholic is right on.
Kingdom.. God's governance versus the governance of man. They chose the latter.
No idea about either.
I am not denying that some, even many, in the Church hierarchy, has become worldly. This is inevitable. It is not the fault of any visible institution. The fault is in the heart (Matthew 15:18, Matthew 12:34). We are all guilty of this - all churches and all Christians. I know I am. That does not excuse it but it means that we should take the beam out of our own eyes before we take the twig out of another (Matthew 7:5). The only ones we are encouraged to judge is ourselves (1 Corinthians 11:31). I often fail at this. But I am working at it. I am trying to be harder on myself and easier on others. I can only encourage you to also work on this. Consider more the times that you have failed God and not how others have failed God. Every time we have sinned we have made a partnership with the world, the flesh, and the devil. And no one is without sin. One of our saints, St. Phillip Neri, would pray every night, pointing to himself, "Be careful, Lord. This servant will betray You." We are all traitors to God. This is because of our fallen natures.Glad to hear it. They completely put the governance of God before the governance of man and they love all in the world as self. Yet... for some reason the Christian religion took the Adversary's offer of all this can be yours and worked together with the Empire and others since to not only rule in the same way as other governments of man over the centuries, but become a world power with human wealth and territory and became king creators themselves (wrong kings and wrong world). Something fell by the wayside and the seed became unfruitful in Christianity except for a minority within who reject the world man has made in favour of the real Kingdom and reject the same deal Christianity made as did the Pharisees with the Romans, partnership in controlling the masses
I was talking of Christianity.Evidence. To show from Catholic Church documents that the Church is against the governance of God.
Again, I said Christianity.You judge us Catholics to be for the governance of man rather than the governance of God.
Why continually accuse me of being that which I am not? To what advantage?I know. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Since you have no idea of the New Age Movement or liberal, it makes sense that you are repeating their mistakes.
As I have said all along.I am not denying that some, even many, in the Church hierarchy, has become worldly. This is inevitable. It is not the fault of any visible institution. The fault is in the heart
I was talking of Christianity.
Why continually accuse me of being that which I am not? To what advantage?
No, just those within who use God to justify themselves rather than change to suit His will; or defend the ways of man over the will of God. Can't have it both ways, or truthfully promote the Gospel of the Kingdom while living by the governance of man. Jesus turned down the kingdoms of this world so why not emulate?So you are against Christianity as a whole?
We have all sinned by putting our will before God but how many of us purposely build empires and lord authourity over fellow man, defending the ways of man over those of the Kingdom?Now if you would say that we are all traitorous, including you and me, then I would agree. We all have sinned.
As I have said all along.
No, just those within who use God to justify themselves rather than change to suit His will; or defend the ways of man over the will of God. Can't have it both ways, or truthfully promote the Gospel of the Kingdom while living by the governance of man. Jesus turned down the kingdoms of this world so why not emulate?
We have all sinned by putting our will before God but how many of us purposely build empires and lord authourity over fellow man, defending the ways of man over those of the Kingdom?
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