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Perhaps Ex nihilo is incorrect in the sense that God pulled the energy from himself to create, so that energy is what existed before matter. And it does matter in so much as this is a discussion about creation and evolution. And it should matter to you. If you say you are a Christian, believing "in the Beginning, God" is the most fundamental of Christian beliefs. Without it, you can't have any of the Christian doctrines.How so? The doctrine of ex materia was popular in early Christian times and is believe by some Christians still. It was suppressed by the Fathers out of fear that it might lead to Gnostic dualism. In any case, what you think the Bible has to say on the subject has no relevance to scientific investigations into the origins of the material universe.
No one actually knows.1. How old is the universe?
Populations change quite rapidly. The eastern coyote has gone through several genetic changes just in my lifetime. But they are still coyotes, and if they breed with dogs or wolves until they are something else, they are still canines.2. Do populations change over time?
3. Is man an ape?
belief in Ex Deo creation was never very widespread in Christian circles and doesn't appear much before the 3rd Century.Perhaps Ex nihilo is incorrect in the sense that God pulled the energy from himself to create, so that energy is what existed before matter.
What makes you think I don't believe it or don't think it's necessary to Christian doctrine? All I'm saying is that the existence of God and His authorship of our being is not particularly relevant to a creationism v. evolution discussion.And it does matter in so much as this is a discussion about creation and evolution. And it should matter to you. If you say you are a Christian, believing "in the Beginning, God" is the most fundamental of Christian beliefs. Without it, you can't have any of the Christian doctrines.
FNo one actually knows.
Populations change quite rapidly. The eastern coyote has gone through several genetic changes just in my lifetime. But they are still coyotes, and if they breed with dogs or wolves until they are something else, they are still canines.
Man is a special creation of God. And ape is just another animal.
belief in Ex Deo creation was never very widespread in Christian circles and doesn't appear much before the 3rd Century. What makes you think I don't believe it or don't think it's necessary to Christian doctrine? All I'm saying is that the existence of God and His authorship of our being is not particularly relevant to a creationism v. evolution discussion.
What is remarkable too is that BB theory was developed by a Christian.Eze to see why our funfys get so hysterical about the " big bang"
and so love their kalam cosmo.
It's a bit like Godwin law, that all arguments end up being about Hitler.
Estrids corrolary perhaps:
Every creogument eventually ends up with
"BB is dumb therefore God".
Subsection A
"God is proved, so faith is dead."
Christians can't be wrong?What is remarkable too is that BB theory was developed by a Christian.
If you're talking about Fred Hoyle, he considered himself an atheist, and promoted panspermia as to how the earth was populated.Not a true one.
Who?What is remarkable too is that BB theory was developed by a Christian.
I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying here since most of it isn't in English but I don't think the big bang is dumb. I think it's just saying something the Bible said long ago. God spread out, ( expanded) the universe from a single point of energy, which most likely was himself.Eze to see why our funfys get so hysterical about the " big bang"
and so love their kalam cosmo.
It's a bit like Godwin law, that all arguments end up being about Hitler.
Estrids corrolary perhaps:
Every creogument eventually ends up with
"BB is dumb therefore God".
Subsection A
"God is proved, so faith is dead."
You really don't under it. Let me put it another way so the next time you do it you might have a meta understanding.Which doesn't change what I said.
It was a belief I "invented" (before I discovered it was old) while I was still a Christian. It solved some problems, kinda. Like time being a built in feature of god-stuff that the universe inherits. Thus God can act. Time could be multidimensional and what we experience is a projection onto our "axis". Etc., etc.belief in Ex Deo creation was never very widespread in Christian circles and doesn't appear much before the 3rd Century.
No one actually knows.
Populations change quite rapidly. The eastern coyote has gone through several genetic changes just in my lifetime. But they are still coyotes, and if they breed with dogs or wolves until they are something else, they are still canines.
Man is a special creation of God. And ape is just another animal.
I believe God created parts of the universe ex nihilo, and parts ex materia.Perhaps Ex nihilo is incorrect in the sense that God pulled the energy from himself to create, so that energy is what existed before matter.
True, but I'm speaking more about the concept of everything once being energy that God converted into matter, so that would include everything. The dirt that he converted into man was something he'd already created. In other words, he just reformed the matter that he'd already created earlierI believe God created parts of the universe ex nihilo, and parts ex materia.
Obviously the earth was created ex nihilo, but Adam was taken from the dust of the ground, thus ex materia.
I see what you're saying.True, but I'm speaking more about the concept of everything once being energy that God converted into matter, so that would include everything. The dirt that he converted into man was something he'd already created. In other words, he just reformed the matter that he'd already created earlier
No such thing. The common ancestor of the canines and felines was neither one.But they are. Unless you can show me a half feline, half canine. Not speculation about one that existed millions of years ago.
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