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Just compare with your common sense and decide which thing is better/greatest/more capable. its not hard i guess.
Well make a scale with every value of what humans can do and make the same for everything humans created or i don't know...
I would say human creations are less than the animals, yet humans are greater than animals by a lot.
Argument from incredulity is fallacious - and a form of argument from ignorance.You know man invented a camera only 100 years ago or something like that, after thousands of years of advancement in science and study and effort etc, and evolution now without any science or intelligence at alll invented brains? the creation is always less than the creator i don't believe random change and death is more intelligent than ourselves. do you?
They start from simple examples because it's quicker than starting from scratch - they don't have 3 billion years to wait, they want a product in a few days. Those programs do the job - producing better performing results by simulating, as you say, random change and death.Its just random change and death, now please let some smart person build an AI capable of building even the most basic thing with that kind of process... and don't tell me that exists because it doesn't the programs that exist choose from already built solutions and input.
Fortunately, your belief is not required.... i really don't believe it can build anything.
You are hilarious.
Evolution isn't an entity, it's just a natural process; other natural processes can produce complexity and order out of disorder without intelligence - crystallisation produces snowflakes, a variety of interacting processes produce tornadoes, gravity and nuclear forces produce stars, etc. Life happens to be a particularly complex phenomenon, but its underlying principle is the same as that of fire.Humans can't make something as great as themselves ("meaning, more sophisticated, capabable of more or the same, as 'great' as a thing as them) even with tools intelligence and study and great effort, evolution has none of all that, and it did better? i don't think so.
Well make a scale with every value of what humans can do and make the same for everything humans created or i don't know... just think and you will find humans can do what they creations not, they are more capable always than their creation, the same for everything.
I would say human creations are less than the animals, yet humans are greater than animals by a lot. That would put things in perpective.
Then do it. If you think that humans are "greater" in aggregate than their creations, come up with some criteria and corresponding metrics. Put it to the test.
Based on what? Without specific criteria and measurements these claims are meaningless.
I'm serious, having God in your life is not about believing in something only, and this is a normal thing every christian say, its not a philosophy, is God intervining in your life mr atheist.
You are serious just look at what persons can do and compare, there is no known equal in all the universe.
When something relatively 'smart' is built, you need something smarter to have created it.
And the creation cannot be more than the creator because its just impossible.
You may have missed the last 50 years of technology - when a computer beat the world chess champion, or when IBM's Watson beat the world Jeopardy champion, or when Alpha Go beat the world Go champion, etc. - all games thought at the time to represent the uniquely unassailable intelligence and creativity of humans. We have systems that can outperform expert diagnosticians in diagnosing a range of diseases, systems that can translate multiple languages in real-time, and so-on.As a whole i mean intelligence and consciouness etc included, you think your car or computer is better than a human? i am not talking about instrinsic 'human value' but as a thing as a whole. Those things are a lot less in terms of being capable of things and sophistication and design etc. Sure a rock is better than a human in not getting hurt when hit, are rocks better...
JFYI - It's against forum rules to call science a religion, and atheism is a lack of religious beliefs.The science of evolution is a misnomer. It is more a religion based on religious beliefs of atheism.
Rubbish.You are serious just look at what persons can do and compare, there is no known equal in all the universe. You don't need metrics to do that. When something relatively 'smart' is built, you need something smarter to have created it. And the creation cannot be more than the creator because its just impossible.
Puhleeze. The science of evolution is a misnomer. It is more a religion based on religious beliefs of atheism.
or a bug building a civilization!?
Sure, you can keep moving the goalposts of what it means to be "better or greater than a human" (although it helps if you properly define those goalposts first) so that you eventually end up with things that are uniquely human by definition - but you can do that for any creature; it would be a form of the "No true Scotsman fallacy" a literal reductio-ad-absurdum, and the process would demonstrate that the human exceptionalism you espouse is a uniquely human bias.A computer is not better or greater than a human and will never be, the same as that bug you were takling about. Can a computer create something like humans do by itself? a bit advanced this human stuff eh?
can this bug even think? no.
So yes humans are better greater and capable of doing more than those things. Lets see a computer building things designing them without human input, or a bug building a civilization!? so don't talk non sense please.
Sure, you can keep moving the goalposts of what it means to be "better or greater than a human" (although it helps if you properly define those goalposts first) so that you eventually end up with things that are uniquely human by definition - but you can do that for any creature; it would be a form of the "No true Scotsman fallacy" a literal reductio-ad-absurdum, and the process would demonstrate that the human exceptionalism you espouse is a uniquely human bias.
You keep making empty assertions that have been refuted multiple times within the thread.A computer is not better or greater than a human and will never be, the same as that bug you were takling about. Can a computer create something like humans do? a bit advanced this human stuff eh?
can this bug even think? no.
So yes humans are better greater and capable of doing more than those things. Lets see a computer building things designing them without human input, or a bug building a civilization!? so don't talk non sense please.
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