What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

Mr Laurier · Apr 22, 2021

AV1611VET said:
The fact that it's not covered in cooties doesn't change my opinion one bit.

What about the fact that there is no evidence of disease?
What about the evidence of healthy populations with zero evidence of pathology?
And no, lice are not leprosy.

Now you know why God called it "wonderful," don't you?

No. Indeed I don't even know THAT God called it ANYTHING.

It leaves smert people scratching their heads, searching for bugs on their skeletons, and denying they are us, based on their predetermined set of rules that they made up.

Its a shame that your "smert people" are so absurd.
You might be able to convince someone that it exists, if it were not so contrary to anything real..

In short, those skeletons defy all logic.

Except that they dont.

"Wnderful," isn't it?

Not particularly.

Mr Laurier · Apr 22, 2021

AV1611VET said:
No, I don't.

This is what I said:
I know what you're doing to dilute my point, as I'll show below.You're taking "hairy" to mean, "covered in hair follicles," whereas I mean "hairy" to mean "shaggy."

Congratulations. You just knocked Chimpanzees and Bonobos out of the Ape clade.

Bradskii · Apr 22, 2021

AV1611VET said:
I know what you're doing to dilute my point, as I'll show below.You're taking "hairy" to mean, "covered in hair follicles," whereas I mean "hairy" to mean "shaggy."

We have the same number of follicles because we're both apes. We have finer hair because we've evolved differently. Science is a wonderful thing, AV.

sjastro · Apr 22, 2021

KomatiiteBIF said:
Is tpw on the cross section? I don't see it. What color is it?

And what marine fossils have been found in Qpe?

My mistake it should read tpv instead of tpw.
Full information about the map can be found here.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~sjastro/astrophysics/youyangs_50_geol_ed1.pdf

On the fossils I am committing myself to memory here having been on geological field trip as a first year undergraduate to the Geelong region south of the map to one of the sand quarries.
Shells and shark teeth fossils were found.
Incidentally in the tpv layer marine macro and micro fossils are part of the composition.

The other issue against a biblical flood is the sedimentary layers beneath the basalt layer were deposited over millions of years not what you would expect from a short term event.

renniks · Apr 22, 2021

Speedwell said:
As compared to what? Right now it's the best theory we've got, no matter how shakey you think it is.

That's your opinion.

AV1611VET · Apr 22, 2021

Mr Laurier said:
Congratulations. You just knocked Chimpanzees and Bonobos out of the Ape clade.

Comparing animals to animals is one thing.

Comparing animals to human beings is something altogether different.

This is why sometimes I see myself getting challenged to look at two different types of animals that closely resemble each other, and asked if they are the same kind or not (example: Post 147).

But comparing animals to human beings is quite different.

We have third graders who can tell you if something is an ape, rather than a man.

And if you ask that third grader what the difference is, he will probably say because it's "hairy."

AV1611VET · Apr 22, 2021

Bradskii said:
We have the same number of follicles because we're both apes. We have finer hair because we've evolved differently. Science is a wonderful thing, AV.

I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not.

Job 33:6 · Apr 22, 2021

sjastro said:
My mistake it should read tpv instead of tpw.
Full information about the map can be found here.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~sjastro/astrophysics/youyangs_50_geol_ed1.pdf

On the fossils I am committing myself to memory here having been on geological field trip as a first year undergraduate to the Geelong region south of the map to one of the sand quarries.
Shells and shark teeth fossils were found.
Incidentally in the tpv layer marine macro and micro fossils are part of the composition.

The other issue against a biblical flood is the sedimentary layers beneath the basalt layer were deposited over millions of years not what you would expect from a short term event.

The figure in the link you sent says that Qpe is identified as non marine strata. So, would shark teeth in it not be evidence of a global flood over dry land?

renniks · Apr 22, 2021

"Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution with its Tree of Life is applauded by most sophisticated Americans and Europeans as a scientific idea pure and simple, without the aura of dread and terror that, properly, should surround it in our minds.

Why should we so regard it? Not necessarily because of any judgment about whether the idea is right or wrong as science, but rather because of the uncanny way evolution has had of supplying the rationale and creating the backdrop for the most twisted, monstrous social movements that have sprung up in Western culture in the past century and half."
(David Klinghoffer)

Such as Columbine killer Eric Harris, who was inspired in part by his fanatical devotion to Darwinian natural selection.
"YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE??? Natural SELECTION! It’s the best thing that ever happened to the Earth. Getting rid of all the stupid and weak organisms . . . but it’s all natural! YES!”

And the Finnish student who killed eight in a shooting spree at his school.
Auvinen was an ardent Darwinist who considered himself to be an instrument of natural selection. He wrote: “I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgaces of human race and failures of natural selection.”

Mr Laurier · Apr 22, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Comparing animals to animals is one thing.

And?

Comparing animals to human beings is something altogether different.

Given that human beings are not plants or fungi....

This is why sometimes I see myself getting challenged to look at two different types of animals that closely resemble each other, and asked if they are the same kind or not (as Kylie once did)

.huh?

But comparing animals to human beings is quite different.

How so?
Please name one trait universal to all animals except humans.

We have third graders who can tell you if something is an ape, rather than a man.

And?
We have third graders who think cars can talk.

And if you ask that third grader what the difference is, he will probably say because it's "hairy."

You will notice that third graders tend to be less well informed than say... adults.

AV1611VET · Apr 22, 2021

Mr Laurier said:
huh?

QV this example: Post 147

I edited my former post to reflect this.

Mr Laurier said:
Please name one trait universal to all animals except humans.

So now we go from this:

Kylie said:
What defining biological features of Apes do Humans lack?

And when I give five answers ... to this:

Mr Laurier said:
Please name one trait universal to all animals except humans.

This conversation is starting to get old.

dlamberth · Apr 22, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Is it still where?

It was created on the earth, moved to possibly the moon or Mars, came back during the Flood, and could now very well be on Neptune, with "floaties" in it.

You know ... dead bodies, dead plants, rocks and such.

So, when God cleaned up the Earth after the Flood He swept all of the trash under the rug, or in this case used Neptune as a garbage dump?

AV1611VET · Apr 22, 2021

dlamberth said:
So, when God cleaned up the Earth after the Flood He swept all of the trash under the rug, or in this case used Neptune as a garbage dump?

I don't consider warning buoys "garbage dumps".

Mr Laurier · Apr 22, 2021

AV1611VET said:
QV this example: Post 147

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/evolutions-brick-wall-part-ii.8085043/page-8#post-73294375

I edited my former post to reflect this.

The fact that humans clearly have hair, and strength...
And the fact that nobody knows what "Limited domiciles" means....
You are basicaly saying that there are no humans.

AV1611VET · Apr 22, 2021

Mr Laurier said:
The fact that humans clearly have hair, and strength...
And the fact that nobody knows what "Limited domiciles" means....
You are basicaly saying that there are no humans.

Your obtuse replies are noted.

sjastro · Apr 22, 2021

KomatiiteBIF said:
The figure in the link you sent says that Qpe is identified as non marine strata. So, would shark teeth in it not be evidence of a global flood over dry land?

The most likely explanation I was wrong in assuming the fossils were in a Qpe layer.
I have a vague recollection of doing a fossil search in 'Batesford' quarry where marine fossils were found.
In the Geelong geological map there is a reference to Batesford limestone which is dated to the Tertiary Period.
What ever the situation is with the exception of the You Yangs which is a granite intrusion the entire region is low lying and has been flooded in the past by rising sea levels.

Mr Laurier · Apr 22, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Your obtuse replies are noted.

Great. Now you just need to make them exist.
Meanwhile, you are still stuck with the problems that you cannot tapdance away from.
The trait for animals, is that we eat and we poop.
If it eats, and it poops, its an animal.

Speedwell · Apr 22, 2021

renniks said:
That's your opinion.

It's not just my opinion, it's a fact--unless you can come up with a theory of your own. Basically, you've got nothing.

Speedwell · Apr 22, 2021

renniks said:
"Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution with its Tree of Life is applauded by most sophisticated Americans and Europeans as a scientific idea pure and simple, without the aura of dread and terror that, properly, should surround it in our minds.

Why should we so regard it? Not necessarily because of any judgment about whether the idea is right or wrong as science, but rather because of the uncanny way evolution has had of supplying the rationale and creating the backdrop for the most twisted, monstrous social movements that have sprung up in Western culture in the past century and half."
(David Klinghoffer)

Such as Columbine killer Eric Harris, who was inspired in part by his fanatical devotion to Darwinian natural selection.
"YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE??? Natural SELECTION! It’s the best thing that ever happened to the Earth. Getting rid of all the stupid and weak organisms . . . but it’s all natural! YES!”

And the Finnish student who killed eight in a shooting spree at his school.
Auvinen was an ardent Darwinist who considered himself to be an instrument of natural selection. He wrote: “I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgaces of human race and failures of natural selection.”

What is this? An admission that you can't can't falsify the theory scientifically?

renniks · Apr 22, 2021

That's your opinion. Not a fact. The facts don't support your opinion.

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