What is the end goal for creationists these days?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Nobody expects you to.



No matter how much you may agree with Wells, you still haven't shown that Darwin did. Considering he didn't, you have quite the challenge.

He's also quoting a segment from H.G. Wells WORK OF FICTION book, A Modern Utopia.

 

[dmmesdale]

Nobody expects you to.

You have not made a case.

No matter how much you may agree with Wells,

A sniveling insinuation, a cheap shot.

you still haven't shown that Darwin did. Considering he didn't, you have quite the challenge.

The quotes have been provided. Wells was simply applying Darwin.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I honestly don't get the logic here: people twisted what Darwin said in On the Origin of Species and in the theory of evolution to do bad things. People have done the same with religion with far more regularity and far more horrible results.
But to what point? The theory of evolution is still true and it still describes what we see in nature. It's not some instant disqualification that people in the past were racist and tried to use evolution to support their racist views. If evolution should be disqualified for the acts and thoughts of a minority, then by the same logic so should religion.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I was addressing primary sources. Darwin himself.

You didn't read, did you?

 

[dmmesdale]

No, fact. And had you actually read, instead of mine for out of context quotes, you'd know it too..

It is a secondary source.

This is your claim.

He also believed that inferiority was the result of societal, not biological, influences.

Prove it. That being since he certainly did address biological differences.

Opinion.

Then prove it wrong. Prove it is misapplied, Darwin.

Well, in the case of religion, "should be" according to God.

This is the context of your quote.

Evolution, like all science, is descriptive, not prescriptive. It describes what is, not what should be.

It is evolution, not religion. You pulled your own quote out of context and responded to your contrived phantom. So tell us what should be according to evolution? Why were they wrong? Other than your opinion?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Then prove it wrong. Prove it is misapplied Darwin.

How about you show us where Darwin said that white people must kill non-whites?

 

[bhsmte]

How about you show us where Darwin said that white people must kill non-whites?

Why would he do that, when he can shift the burden of proof to you?

 

[TLK Valentine]

It is a secondary source.

So is the Bible, but you've never let that bother you.

Prove it. That being since he certainly did address biological differences.

Actually, he didn't. But thank you for trying.

It is evolution, not religion. You pulled your own quote out of context and responded to your contrived phantom.

Are you seriously claiming I quote-mined myself?

So tell us what should be according to evolution? Why were they wrong? Other than your opinion?

Nothing. Evolution makes no argument over what should be. It only describes what is.

Is it so hard to understand?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

@dmmesdale, are you going to show us where exactly Darwin said that white people should wipe out non-whites?

 

[TLK Valentine]

@dmmesdale, are you going to show us where exactly Darwin said that white people should wipe out non-whites?

Or was that your own idea/interpretation?

 

[46AND2]

Are you seriously claiming I quote-mined myself?

HaHaHaHa!!!!

 

[dmmesdale]

@dmmesdale, are you going to show us where exactly Darwin said that white people should wipe out non-whites?

Why, so you can move the goalposts, again? The race, tribe quotes were provided. Later, they were applied.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Why, so you can move the goalposts, again? The race, tribe quotes were provided. Later, they were applied.

No, how about you actually show us where, EXPLICITLY, Darwin said that the white man must kill non-whites.

 

[dmmesdale]

No, how about you actually show us where, EXPLICITLY, Darwin said that the white man must kill non-whites.

It is called moving the goalposts. What about that are you not understanding?

 

[pitabread]

Nothing. Evolution makes no argument over what should be. It only describes what is.

Is it so hard to understand?

Since believers have religious books that are prescriptive and they seem to view scientific writings as a sort of 'religious text' for those who accept science, I wonder if they then also view such writings as prescriptive.

It would explain a lot, I think.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It is called moving the goalposts. What about that are you not understanding?

No, it's me wanting you to be clear. Where does Darwin say, explicitly, that whites should kill non-whites? Because all I read from his work is that the group/groups more adapted to living in a certain area while replace those not adapted to living in that area.

 

[dmmesdale]

Since believers have religious books that are prescriptive and they seem to view scientific writings as a sort of 'religious text' for those who accept science, I wonder if they then also view such writings as prescriptive.

It would explain a lot, I think.

No believer comes here for assessments by nonbelievers. Fiction is not science and Darwin is certainly not empirical science. If you wish to do assessments then start your own thread.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No believer comes here for assessments by nonbelievers. Fiction is not science and Darwin is certainly not empirical science. If you wish to do assessments then start your own thread.

Says the man who thinks that a work of fiction by H.G. Wells describes the man's own thoughts...

 

[dmmesdale]

No, it's me wanting you to be clear. Where does Darwin say, explicitly, that whites should kill non-whites? Because all I read from his work is that the group/groups more adapted to living in a certain area while replace those not adapted to living in that area.

I provided the quote pages ago. Now you are moving the goalposts and denying you are. He does not have to be explicit. His quotes are explicit enough to justify races exterminating races.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I provided the quote pages ago. Now you are moving the goalposts and denying you are. He does not have to be explicit. His quotes are explicit enough to justify races exterminating races.

Ah, so you don't have any evidence and you're just making it all up. Good to know.