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James 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.What is the difference between "desire" and "sin"?
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What is the "desire"
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What is the difference between "desire" and "sin"?
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Sin is the product of desire when desire is allowed to gestate to its natural end.
In Romans we are taught that sin lies in slavery to desire. Paul says of slavery:
Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?-- Romans 6
A slave obeys his master, and when a person obeys his physical desires, then his physical desires are his masters. To be more pointed, he has made his physical desires the dictators of his actions and choices, his gods.
In Romans we are taught that sin lies in slavery to desire. Paul says of slavery:
Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?-- Romans 6
A slave obeys his master, and when a person obeys his physical desires, then his physical desires are his masters. To be more pointed, he has made his physical desires the dictators of his actions and choices, his gods.
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The desire is natural. In scripture, "desire" is amoral, leading to sin if one allows his desire to control his decisions.
Scripture tells us that when Jesus completed his 40 days of fasting in the wilderness, "...and He was hungry." That was a desire, but the desire in itself is amoral--it has no moral value either positive or negative.
But if Jesus had been led to "obey his thirst" (as the 7-Up commercial urges), He would have sinned.
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It is LUST and kin to covetousness. Lust also must not be confined to the grosser sins of the flesh.
Achan. David and Bathsheba.
Paul had intense desires about being with the Lord and was simply "lust".
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The scripture clearly says: "He was hungry."
Hunger is a physical desire. It is very important theologically to understand that Jesus did, indeed, feel all things physical as we do. To say that Jesus had no normal physical desires is a Gnostic heresy.
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The word translated into as "lust" in English translations of the New Testament is the Greek epithumia. However, when it is being used in a "good" context, epithumia is usuallytranslated as "desire" rather than "lust."
These are some of places where epithumia is used:
Luke 22:15 And Jesus said unto them, with great epithumiaI have epithumia-ed to eat this passover with you before I suffer.
Mark 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the epithumia of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the epithumia thereof.
Philippians 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a epithumia to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
1 Timothy 2:17 But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great epithumia.
1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful epithumia, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
So as you can see, the word epithumia--translated as "lust" or "desire" depending on context--is itself not a designation of either good or evil. It depends on the subject of the desire and whether we allow it to control us.
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I did NOT say He did not FEEL hungry and the body was in need, did I? The problem with finding the mind of God is not being able to disassociate Him with just a two-bit prophet, if you will.
John 4:31-34
31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.
32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?
34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Matt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
I wish people would get off the label making wagon.
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Then you're deliberately playing games.
I had said:
Clearly I was talking about the physical sensation of hunger...and you knew that.
If you meant something else than what you knew I meant, then an honest response would have one that identified your different meaning for "desire."
If you intend to get into gamesmanship rather than have a straightforward discussion, let me know. I have other things to do.
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Desire is a mental assent. And quit questioning my honesty.
2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
I may just be I have a deeper knowledge than you. I don't know.
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Restoresmysoul
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Proverbs 13:12New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
But when the desire comes, it is a tree of life.
12 Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
But when the desire comes, it is a tree of life.
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