What is that supposed to mean anyway?

[david_x]

"your judging"

What do you really mean by that anyway? (To all the anti-anti-homosexualityists out there. )

 

[ALiberalTeen]

You judge us?

Many people often use false claims such as gay's aren't as healthy as heterosexuals, gay's can't raise kids as well, most gay's are HIV positive, and so on.

 

[Aquamarine81]

"your judging"

What do you really mean by that anyway? (To all the anti-anti-homosexualityists out there. )

By implying gays are "bad people" who CHOSE to be gay, and are living a sinful lifestyle. More importantly though, by saying gays aren't Christian and won't go to heaven. It's up to God to judge a person's heart -- not humans.

 

[HaloHope]

By implying gays are "bad people" who CHOSE to be gay, and are living a sinful lifestyle. More importantly though, by saying gays aren't Christian and won't go to heaven. It's up to God to judge a person's heart -- not humans.

Exactly.

I would say the things I find the most judging is being told my "lifestyle" is immoral purely because of the person I love and that my relationship is "twisted and perverted" (or other such words) when to me it is wonderful, fulfilling and filled with happiness. Seeing as that I'm the person who is in that relationship as opposed to say.. a random person who has never met me or my partner (and is in fact most of the time in a different country) I tend to feel I know my lifestyle and relationship a lot better than they do. But they still judge.

Having my relationship with Jesus questioned is also of course judgemental in the extreme as because once again your not me, and the person being judgemental is most certainly not Jesus/God or in fact anybody they claim to speak for.

 

[Zaac]

"your judging"

What do you really mean by that anyway? (To all the anti-anti-homosexualityists out there. )

Good grief. Is that a word?

 

[david_x]

You judge us?

Many people often use false claims such as gay's aren't as healthy as heterosexuals, gay's can't raise kids as well, most gay's are HIV positive, and so on.

If they aren't true then why do you even care?

By implying gays are "bad people" who CHOSE to be gay, and are living a sinful lifestyle. More importantly though, by saying gays aren't Christian and won't go to heaven. It's up to God to judge a person's heart -- not humans.

So now you want us to lie to people? You might as just tie the mill-stones around everyones necks now.

I would say the things I find the most judging is being told my "lifestyle" is immoral purely because of the person I love and that my relationship is "twisted and perverted" (or other such words) when to me it is wonderful, fulfilling and filled with happiness. Seeing as that I'm the person who is in that relationship as opposed to say.. a random person who has never met me or my partner (and is in fact most of the time in a different country) I tend to feel I know my lifestyle and relationship a lot better than they do. But they still judge.

It's funny, alcholics can't see anything wrong with what they are doing either.

Having my relationship with Jesus questioned is also of course judgemental in the extreme as because once again your not me, and the person being judgemental is most certainly not Jesus/God or in fact anybody they claim to speak for.

So you are judging the judger? Isn't it written that anybody that lives in sin will not inheritate the kingdom of God.

 

[Zaac]

Exactly.

I would say the things I find the most judging is being told my "lifestyle" is immoral purely because of the person I love and that my relationship is "twisted and perverted" (or other such words) when to me it is wonderful, fulfilling and filled with happiness. Seeing as that I'm the person who is in that relationship as opposed to say.. a random person who has never met me or my partner (and is in fact most of the time in a different country) I tend to feel I know my lifestyle and relationship a lot better than they do. But they still judge.

The issue at hand here is that very few have a Biblical understanding of what God says about judging and how it is to be done.

As is consistent with the majority, I'm seeing that several of you are unaware that you can't make a decision without judging, and that God calls for the spiritual man to righteously judge all things.

The OP made a judgment when the original question was asked.

Halo, you made a judgment when you deduced for yourself the thing that you find most judging.

In accordance with God's Word, if you are in a relationship and having sex outside of God's marriage covenant, your acts are sin. And no its not an issue of you not legally being able to marry because God has also said who a marriage is between.

And though you guys may not like, it is the way it is because GOD says so.

You can reject that and start all the arguments about us not knowing what God says, etc. Fornication is sin and if you are fornicating , expect it to be identified as sin.

Having my relationship with Jesus questioned is also of course judgemental in the extreme as because once again your not me, and the person being judgemental is most certainly not Jesus/God or in fact anybody they claim to speak for.

As Christians, we make that judgment with every person we meet if we do not know they are a Christian. If I meet you on the street and I don't know you're a Christian, I'm going to make the judgment that you're not and attempt to share the Gospel with you until we can establish that you are or not or until you run me off.

My point is that people have to judge. The issue is whether or not you're doing so righteously or hypocritically.

 

[HaloHope]

The issue at hand here is that very few have a Biblical understanding of what God says about judging and how it is to be done.

As is consistent with the majority, I'm seeing that several of you are unaware that you can't make a decision without judging, and that God calls for the spiritual man to righteously judge all things.



The OP made a judgment when the original question was asked.

Halo, you made a judgment when you deduced for yourself the thing that you find most judging.

In accordance with God's Word, if you are in a relationship and having sex outside of God's marriage covenant, your acts are sin. And no its not an issue of you not legally being able to marry because God has also said who a marriage is between.

And though you guys may not like, it is the way it is because GOD says so.

You can reject that and start all the arguments about us not knowing what God says, etc. Fornication is sin and if you are fornicating , expect it to be identified as sin.



As Christians, we make that judgment with every person we meet if we do not know they are a Christian. If I meet you on the street and I don't know you're a Christian, I'm going to make the judgment that you're not and attempt to share the Gospel with you until we can establish that you are or not or until you run me off.

My point is that people have to judge. The issue is whether or not you're doing so righteously or hypocritically.

The bottom line here is we will never agree on this subject. I think the "righteous judgement"displayed here by some is definately not righteous in the slightest.

No matter of people telling me otherwise is going to change what I BELIEVE (I think it is ridiculously arrogant for anyone to claim they know exactly what God thinks and says) that homosexual acts in a monogamous realtionship are not a sin (same applying to hetrosexual of course) and I do not see them as condemned in the Bible anywhere. What I do see is people who have been taught that homosexual acts are a sin at a young age not being able to think outside the box and question they might be wrong and perhaps convincing others the same, but thats all I see.

If I am wrong on the above when I stand before God I shall answer for it. I accept that, but it's not something that weighs on my mind and concerns me as I believe he has welcomed me to the body of Christ as I am, sexuality and all. I even came to him through a gay realtionship which speaks volumes to me in itself. I am happy in Christ and happy in my relationship, and I am determined to show other gay people they do not have to be outcasts of Christianity and that they can do the same. If there are consequences I will deal with them then, but as I say am convinced there wont be. I do this from my own "righteous judgement".

 

[HaloHope]

It's funny, alcholics can't see anything wrong with what they are doing either.

I don't find it particualrly funny myself, alcholism is something that hurts body mind and those around them. It's a serious issue that the person needs help with.

Uncomporable to homosexuality mind as it dosen't hurt anyone.

Perhaps one of the most serious examples of people who can't see their own faults is bigots. The people who insult others, compare their private acts to acts that hurt other people and think they are doing good when in reality they are just pushing people away from Christ. Yes.. funny that.

 

[Zaac]

The bottom line here is we will never agree on this subject. I think the "righteous judgement"displayed here by some is definately not righteous in the slightest.

We don't have to agree on the subject. All the Christian has to do is be in agreement with what God says.

Stand in agreement with Christ and forget what everybody says. If a Christian is righteously vs hypocritically judging your acts and is aligned with God's Word, then the Christian is right because he is aligned with God's Word and has righteously judged.

No matter of people telling me otherwise is going to change what I BELIEVE (I think it is ridiculously arrogant for anyone to claim they know exactly what God thinks and says) that homosexual acts in a monogamous realtionship are not a sin (same applying to hetrosexual of course)

And this is why people question whether or not some are Christians. When you make statements that amount to you not caring what God's Word says, it speaks volumes.

And as I have said before, the issue with a lot in this forum is that you don't think God's Word is His Word. And THAT says all that needs to be said.

and I do not see them as condemned in the Bible anywhere.

Why are you looking to what the Bible says if as you say I think it is ridiculously arrogant for anyone to claim they know exactly what God thinks and says

You do realize that the Bible is GOD's Word?

What I do see is people who have been taught that homosexual acts are a sin at a young age not being able to think outside the box and question they might be wrong and perhaps convincing others the same, but thats all I see.

Can the pedophiles and the murderers and adulterers and the liars and the idolators jump on this ship that thinks outside the box to make that which is sin not be sin?

Why should folks align themselves with YOUR way over God's way? And you know what God's Word says? The Bible says 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus 2 Timothy 3:14-15

If I am wrong on the above when I stand before God I shall answer for it. I accept that, but it's not something that weighs on my mind and concerns me as I believe he has welcomed me to the body of Christ as I am, sexuality and all.


I even came to him through a gay realtionship which speaks volumes to me in itself. I am happy in Christ and happy in my relationship, and I am determined to show other gay people they do not have to be outcasts of Christianity and that they can do the same. If there are consequences I will deal with them then, but as I say am convinced there wont be. I do this from my own "righteous judgement".

Titus 1:16 states, "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient" Romans 1:28.

 

[david_x]

I don't find it particualrly funny myself, alcholism is something that hurts body mind and those around them. It's a serious issue that the person needs help with

Allow me to chage one word for you,

I don't find it particualrly funny myself, homosexuality is something that hurts body mind and those around them. It's a serious issue that the person needs help with.

Do you think the alcoholic thinks they are hurting anyone? Or themselves?

Perhaps one of the most serious examples of people who can't see their own faults is bigots. The people who insult others, compare their private acts to acts that hurt other people and think they are doing good when in reality they are just pushing people away from Christ. Yes.. funny that.

As it is written, they will see the light and they will despise it.

 

[david_x]

Homaphobic, what is that supposed to mean?

(It is literally the fear of sameness, but the meaning has morphed somewhat)

 

[ALiberalTeen]

If they aren't true then why do you even care?

Would you care, if someone went on a spree of lies saying stuff like Jesus was a woman, he wasn't real, he had aids? yeah I think you would

 

[david_x]

Would you care, if someone went on a spree of lies saying stuff like Jesus was a woman, he wasn't real, he had aids? yeah I think you would

I would be confused but no i would not really care, I mean that would be rediculous. (Besides people say that now)

 

[tulc]

"your judging"

uhmmm Isn't it "you're" judging not "your" judging?
tulc(just thought it was worth mentioning)

 

[Aquamarine81]

So now you want us to lie to people? You might as just tie the mill-stones around everyones necks now.

No, I am suggesting we show God's love to everyone. By telling people they are going to hell for their lifestyle, that only drives them further from God and Christianity.

It's funny, alcholics can't see anything wrong with what they are doing either.

That really isn't comparable, alcoholism is an illness. Homosexuality is just natural feelings someone has.

 

[HaloHope]

That really isn't comparable, alcoholism is an illness. Homosexuality is just natural feelings someone has.

Easier to quote this than bother replying to ridiculous and false claims that homosexuality and alchoholism are at all similar


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Aquamarine81 again. awww

 

[savedandhappy1]

What I do see is people who have been taught that homosexual acts are a sin at a young age not being able to think outside the box and question they might be wrong and perhaps convincing others the same, but thats all I see.

So anyone who believes that homosexuality is a sin can't think for themselves and have been programmed from a young age?

Sorry HaloHope but that has to be one of the most ridiculious statements I have ever heard, because I was raised in church, and frankly it was never mentioned.

Also, for someone to think that all people take every word coming from say a pastor as truth without studying and praying about it is so..............I can't even come up with a word for it.

What I was taught from a young age was to read the Bible and how if I didn't understand what I was reading how to research to get an understanding. I was also taught the most important thing, which is to ask the Lord for Wisdom and Understanding because He tells us that if we need these and we ask He will give them.

Judging has to be one of the most misused words I know, but at least according to His Word everyone who does it will be judged in the same way they judged. We are also told this as a warning because people were judging others while doing the very thing that they were judging others for. So I guess if we take the context of the scriptures into our thinking we can get a better understanding, or at least that works for me. Even if I was brainwashed from birth, and can't think on my own.

Oh, well now I remember why it had been almost a month since I was here last.

Goodnight All.

 

[HaloHope]

What I do see is people who have been taught that homosexual acts are a sin at a young age not being able to think outside the box and question they might be wrong and perhaps convincing others the same, but thats all I see.

So anyone who believes that homosexuality is a sin can't think for themselves and have been programmed from a young age?

Sorry HaloHope but that has to be one of the most ridiculious statements I have ever heard, because I was raised in church, and frankly it was never mentioned.

Also, for someone to think that all people take every word coming from say a pastor as truth without studying and praying about it is so..............I can't even come up with a word for it.

What I was taught from a young age was to read the Bible and how if I didn't understand what I was reading how to research to get an understanding. I was also taught the most important thing, which is to ask the Lord for Wisdom and Understanding because He tells us that if we need these and we ask He will give them.

Judging has to be one of the most misused words I know, but at least according to His Word everyone who does it will be judged in the same way they judged. We are also told this as a warning because people were judging others while doing the very thing that they were judging others for. So I guess if we take the context of the scriptures into our thinking we can get a better understanding, or at least that works for me. Even if I was brainwashed from birth, and can't think on my own.

Oh, well now I remember why it had been almost a month since I was here last.

Goodnight All.

I apologise for generalising, I certainly don't think my statement applies to all anti-gay people and while I may disagree with you very strongly I actually think that you are someone who posts here out of genuine concern.

I do believe however a lot of people label homosexuality a sin without any other knowledge other than "pastor said so" and because hey its easy to condemn someone whose sexual orientation they find "icky". Or at least I believe they approach the Bible with that idea already implemented in their head so automatically thats the stance they take.

To be fair though, unless the person in question has known a gay couple in a loving fulfilling relationship (I dont care how many strangers on the internet tell me otherwise my own relationship is just like any comitted hetrosexual relationship and I love my partner just as much as any hetrosexual couple) they probably will never be able to understand still God explains it to them that it isnt a sin.

 

[savedandhappy1]

What I do see is people who have been taught that homosexual acts are a sin at a young age not being able to think outside the box and question they might be wrong and perhaps convincing others the same, but thats all I see.

I apologise for generalising, I certainly don't think my statement applies to all anti-gay people and while I may disagree with you very strongly I actually think that you are someone who posts here out of genuine concern.

I do believe however a lot of people label homosexuality a sin without any other knowledge other than "pastor said so" and because hey its easy to condemn someone whose sexual orientation they find "icky". Or at least I believe they approach the Bible with that idea already implemented in their head so automatically thats the stance they take.

To be fair though, unless the person in question has known a gay couple in a loving fulfilling relationship (I dont care how many strangers on the internet tell me otherwise my own relationship is just like any comitted hetrosexual relationship and I love my partner just as much as any hetrosexual couple) they probably will never be able to understand still God explains it to them that it isnt a sin.

Hi HaloHope,

I'm sorry if I got alittle...................... I just hate being told that I believe a certain way because of____________.(fill in the blank)

I live in a small town, and have worked with a gay couple for over 15 yrs., so I don't even fit into the category of not knowing a gay couple. I also know things from having other friends that are gay, so it just gets me when I am treated like I have no mind or that I don't use the mind God gave me.

So again, if I came across badly I too am sorry.