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Um - this is the Wesleyan folder, NOT the Presbyterian/Church of Scotland one .......I'd like to see more men in kilts...
I'd like to see more men in kilts...
Capes are ok, but long coats....oh my....
Well this thread went an entirely different direction...
ROTFLOLHaha. Wouldn't be CF if we didn't derail threads in entirely different directions!
Cool!
And yes, CW, "the Word of God" is a bit of a pet peeve. It is possible, indeed important, to "Preach the Word of God", but in doing so we confess Jesus Christ and proclaim his message. It doesn't mean "preaching from the Bible", though the two go hand in hand. The Bible isn't the Word of God; that's Jesus! And it's important because the myriad of verses that reference "The Word of God" make a lot more sense and have much more meaning when they are attributed to Christ, and not read as if the Bible were referring to itself.
Once upon a time , the Irish had a wonderful drink they called the water of life or ish kay. The Scots came and stole it, (renaming it Whiskey). So the Irish sent along the bagpipes and the kilts.Um - this is the Wesleyan folder, NOT the Presbyterian/Church of Scotland one .......
1. 1 Timothy 2 :12 partially addresses this, if by speaking in church you mean teaching then yes it is prohibited, at least teaching men.And as for this the Bible allegedly prohibits...
1. Women speaking in church
2. Interracial marriage
3. Non-missionary sex positions
4. Sex for pleasure between a married man and woman
5. Makeup
6. Tattoos
7. Piercings
8. Gambling
9. Drinking alcohol at all
10. Religious freedom
11. Religious pluralism
12. Sinners in church
1. This is technically true, the Bible doesn't explicitly support any modern economic system, although how Jesus deals with money is completely compatible with Capitalism.And if we're going for things that people infer the Bible says (but not explicitly say), then I've got a long list of things the Bible allegedly "supports" that people take as fact without realizing that it's just their perception.
1. Capitalism
2. Communism
3. Nudism
4. Pre-marital sex
5. Polygamy
6. Polygyny
7. Rape
8. Slavery
9. Spanking your children
10. Genocide
11. Lying to protect someone
12. That God has a pretty darn good plan for YOU, specifically
13. That if somebody sins in a church you MUST kick them out
What you said about "the Lord helps those that help themselves" reminds me of something that some people do that bugs me. I am going to share it if I can explain my thoughts so you understand me.Excellent idea for a topic.
I've come to despise:
"The Lord Helps Those that Help Themselves"
My mom would quote that and I hear it from the mouths of random people. It's usually what people say to try to boost someone up who they don't think is trying enough. The only thing this does if you are one of those people trying, discouraged, and not having luck - is make you feel a little distant from God/hopeless. It's like saying it to those who have mental illness or addictions or stuff they are trying to rise up from, or those who are unemployed and not having luck getting hired. Discouraging.
And of course the bible puts out that it's fine to go to God with all requests and supplications, in all and everything, and that He is there for all His followers at all times.
"Where two or more are gathered in my name"
I've seen this used to justify not going to church buildings, but I haven't seen it used much.
"I can do all things..."
Thank you for clearing this one up! The endure makes much more sense. Obviously I can't accomplish all I may want to - people do have legit limitations. We try our best, but this scripture is shown inaccurate if we do not accomplish everything we try or set our minds to.
What you said about "the Lord helps those that help themselves" reminds me of something that some people do that bugs me. I am going to share it if I can explain my thoughts so you understand me.
I know that the Lord wants us to trust Him for our needs but some people take it a little over board and it goes along with this saying. The Lord wants us to trust Him but I don't think He wants us to be stupid. Here is one example.
My parents had a nearly new car back in the 80s and they took it to a guy in the church that had a welding business. They were having him put a hitch on the car. Well the guy's son-in-law was doing the work and hit the gas tank with the welding rod. And the car caught fire and it was totalled. Not much left of it.
Well normally a business would carry insurance incase something like this happened. Well not this business. The owner from our church told my parents he had no insurance because that would not be trusting the Lord to take care of you. So my parents were left holding the bag.
Like I said we should trust the Lord but I believe that the Lord does not ask us to be stupid. The Lord doesn't expect us to just sit back and do nothing and expect the Lord to do everything for you. That is being irresponsible in my opinion.
Well anyway the saying "the Lord helps those that help themselves" made me think of this.
John
Hello Fellow Nazarene!What you said about "the Lord helps those that help themselves" reminds me of something that some people do that bugs me. I am going to share it if I can explain my thoughts so you understand me.
I know that the Lord wants us to trust Him for our needs but some people take it a little over board and it goes along with this saying. The Lord wants us to trust Him but I don't think He wants us to be stupid. Here is one example.
My parents had a nearly new car back in the 80s and they took it to a guy in the church that had a welding business. They were having him put a hitch on the car. Well the guy's son-in-law was doing the work and hit the gas tank with the welding rod. And the car caught fire and it was totalled. Not much left of it.
Well normally a business would carry insurance incase something like this happened. Well not this business. The owner from our church told my parents he had no insurance because that would not be trusting the Lord to take care of you. So my parents were left holding the bag.
Like I said we should trust the Lord but I believe that the Lord does not ask us to be stupid. The Lord doesn't expect us to just sit back and do nothing and expect the Lord to do everything for you. That is being irresponsible in my opinion.
Well anyway the saying "the Lord helps those that help themselves" made me think of this.
John
Yeah - I remember when that teaching was making its rounds. Eventually we all decided it was bogus and everyone started buying insurance again.My parents had a nearly new car back in the 80s and they took it to a guy in the church that had a welding business. They were having him put a hitch on the car. Well the guy's son-in-law was doing the work and hit the gas tank with the welding rod. And the car caught fire and it was totalled. Not much left of it.
Well normally a business would carry insurance in case something like this happened. Well not this business. The owner from our church told my parents he had no insurance because that would not be trusting the Lord to take care of you. So my parents were left holding the bag.
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