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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 68425456" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>Who is "they"? And quantify "all the time"...</p><p></p><p>You're making it sound as if the majority of executives are out to screw over everyone else to line their own pockets. While that's true for some of them, that certainly doesn't justify making the accusation that "all" or "most" do that, as you have done.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, there's 400,000 people in the US with the title of CEO...you've described the actions of about 20 of them that were involved with the banking fiasco. Explain to me why the CEO of Costco (known to be a fair player to both his customers and employees) falls into the same class as the head of CitiGroup simply because he's in the same type of position of authority?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some have, but most have not.</p><p></p><p>According to a study done at the John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University, 20% of American workers have had the undesirable experience of being laid off.</p><p></p><p>...that means 80% have not.</p><p></p><p>One must also note that of the 20% of people who have been laid off, not all were due to some executive wanting to get rid of people to line his own pockets. In cases like my dad's, he was laid off way back in the day due to the fact that the company was essentially regulated out of business by the state government due to certain insurance laws so some of the staff was relocated to the Michigan office, the rest of Ohio operations were shut down.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If I'm blind to it, then by all means, show me the light lol.</p><p></p><p>I asked you a very simple question in my previous post that you failed to answer in this post, so I'll ask it again.</p><p></p><p>Based on your posts, you're operating on the premise that the following are irrefutable truths:</p><p>1) American Workers are being exploited and underpaid in order to make CEOs richer</p><p>2) The Majority of CEOs are guilty of this behavior (in your own words)</p><p></p><p>The other truths we know</p><p>66% of CEOs are promoted from within and have worked their way up through the ranks of the company they run</p><p>The average tenure of that journey to the top is 15 years</p><p></p><p>If your "truths" are actually true, then combining those with the Bureau of Labor stats I provided can only lead to one possible conclusion:</p><p></p><p>Most CEOs <em>were </em>good decent people, and at some point, a magic transformation happened at which point they transitioned from one of the people getting exploited, to one of the evil people doing the exploiting.</p><p></p><p>So, my question, which I asked before and I'll ask again...what promotion or career level change is the tipping point at which this occurs?</p><p></p><p>We'll look at one of the "Big Boys" as it were...the former CEO of McDonald's. (Jim Skinner)</p><p>1971: Assistant manager at the Capentersville IL McDonald's location</p><p>Between then and 1992 he wore numerous hats: Manager of Field Operations, Regional Market manager, etc....</p><p>Was promoted to a regional VP in 1992.</p><p>Was promoted to president of Euro operations in 1997.</p><p>Transferred to run the Asia market in 2001.</p><p>Became Chief Operating Officer in 2002.</p><p>Then served as CEO from 2004-2012.</p><p></p><p>At which point did the Jeckyll and Hyde transformation occur? It certainly wasn't when he was an assistant manager at a fast food restaurant...and while Market manager was probably a comfortable living, he's still <em>one of us</em> at that point right?</p><p></p><p>When exactly did he go from being a struggling assistant fast food manager who's being exploited by the man, to a evil titan consumed with greed?</p><p></p><p>And how does that tie in with your assertion that the deck is stacked against the middle class? Clearly it wasn't stacked against him was it? Assistant manager at a fast food restaurant is about as "regular dude" as you can get...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 68425456, member: 123415"] Who is "they"? And quantify "all the time"... You're making it sound as if the majority of executives are out to screw over everyone else to line their own pockets. While that's true for some of them, that certainly doesn't justify making the accusation that "all" or "most" do that, as you have done. Again, there's 400,000 people in the US with the title of CEO...you've described the actions of about 20 of them that were involved with the banking fiasco. Explain to me why the CEO of Costco (known to be a fair player to both his customers and employees) falls into the same class as the head of CitiGroup simply because he's in the same type of position of authority? Some have, but most have not. According to a study done at the John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University, 20% of American workers have had the undesirable experience of being laid off. ...that means 80% have not. One must also note that of the 20% of people who have been laid off, not all were due to some executive wanting to get rid of people to line his own pockets. In cases like my dad's, he was laid off way back in the day due to the fact that the company was essentially regulated out of business by the state government due to certain insurance laws so some of the staff was relocated to the Michigan office, the rest of Ohio operations were shut down. If I'm blind to it, then by all means, show me the light lol. I asked you a very simple question in my previous post that you failed to answer in this post, so I'll ask it again. Based on your posts, you're operating on the premise that the following are irrefutable truths: 1) American Workers are being exploited and underpaid in order to make CEOs richer 2) The Majority of CEOs are guilty of this behavior (in your own words) The other truths we know 66% of CEOs are promoted from within and have worked their way up through the ranks of the company they run The average tenure of that journey to the top is 15 years If your "truths" are actually true, then combining those with the Bureau of Labor stats I provided can only lead to one possible conclusion: Most CEOs [I]were [/I]good decent people, and at some point, a magic transformation happened at which point they transitioned from one of the people getting exploited, to one of the evil people doing the exploiting. So, my question, which I asked before and I'll ask again...what promotion or career level change is the tipping point at which this occurs? We'll look at one of the "Big Boys" as it were...the former CEO of McDonald's. (Jim Skinner) 1971: Assistant manager at the Capentersville IL McDonald's location Between then and 1992 he wore numerous hats: Manager of Field Operations, Regional Market manager, etc.... Was promoted to a regional VP in 1992. Was promoted to president of Euro operations in 1997. Transferred to run the Asia market in 2001. Became Chief Operating Officer in 2002. Then served as CEO from 2004-2012. At which point did the Jeckyll and Hyde transformation occur? It certainly wasn't when he was an assistant manager at a fast food restaurant...and while Market manager was probably a comfortable living, he's still [I]one of us[/I] at that point right? When exactly did he go from being a struggling assistant fast food manager who's being exploited by the man, to a evil titan consumed with greed? And how does that tie in with your assertion that the deck is stacked against the middle class? Clearly it wasn't stacked against him was it? Assistant manager at a fast food restaurant is about as "regular dude" as you can get... [/QUOTE]
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