How about he was perfectly willing to slaughter his own kid?And you think Abraham wouldn't do that because?
David, do you have children?Because he trusted the promises of God.
Didn't his daughters technically rape him?We know that he offered his virgin daughters to rapists. And then had sex with them, resulting in pregnancies. Why did God find him righteous?
Other than Lot, have you ever heard of women raping their father?Didn't his daughters technically rape him?
Do you put your child above God?David, do you have children?
What? I thought we were talking about Lot. What do other men's daughters have to do with it?Other than Lot, have you ever heard of women raping their father?
We know that he offered his virgin daughters to rapists. And then had sex with them, resulting in pregnancies. Why did God find him righteous?
Yeah, well, him and God have that in common. It was a fore shadowing of Christ being offered up as a sacrifice for us, so yeah, it was noble. Hard to understand for anyone with a son? You bet. I suspect that when God talked to people in those days it was audible and there was no mistaking what was being said. Otherwise, any parent would find some way around the direct command of God.How about he was perfectly willing to slaughter his own kid?
I think Lot was ultimately considered righteous, not because he always made the best choices, which Abraham didn't either, but because he did follow God's orders and leave the city. Let's get real, all the people who God considered righteous in the OT, messed up. That should be encouraging for those of us who have messed up a Lot too..(oh look, an unintentional pun.)
That's a good point.I think Lot was ultimately considered righteous, not because he always made the best choices, which Abraham didn't either, but because he did follow God's orders and leave the city.
So I just re-read the story; it never claims that Lot was righteous, but that God had mercy on him. Often times the Bible describes what a person did without giving commentary; the scriptures never speak approvingly of Lot's attempt to give his daughters to rapists, it just tells you what happened and moves on.We know that he offered his virgin daughters to rapists. And then had sex with them, resulting in pregnancies. Why did God find him righteous?
You are greatly assuming things here that are not true. 'We' know is making a statement for others than just yourself. You can only speak from your personal opinion & cannot speak for others. You are making unrighteous JUDGMENTS on a man GOD HIMSELF SAID WAS RIGHTEOUS. Your problem is not with Lot, your problem is with God, making Him out to be a liar & bearing false witness, breaking a commandment of God & being guilty before Him.
You don't seem to understand the cultural reasons in that time era & customs when Job offered his daughters. If you saw the movie about US soldiers being protected by a Muslim host & even fighting the soldiers' enemies, which were Muslim also, risking their own lives, for soldiers not believing in Allah, then you will begin to understand the cultural customs about protecting those under your roof & in your hospitable care. Had you understood this & actually read the account in Genesis 19, you can see this to be true.
All the men, young & old, didn't care about the daughters, they only wanted to have sex with the men. They were desiring violent homosexual rape, which Lot described as 'wicked' & not do so such a thing.
Genesis 19:2-9 My lords, please turn aside into the house of your servant; wash your feet & spend the night. Then you can rise early & go on your way.” "No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”
3But Lot insisted SO STRONGLY that they followed him into his house. He PREPARED A FEAST FOR THEM & baked UNLEAVENED bread & they ate.
4Before they had gone to bed, all the men of the city of Sodom, BOTH young & old, surrounded the house. They called out to Lot, saying, “Where are the MEN who came to you tonight? Send them out to us so we can have relations with them!”
6Lot went outside to meet them & shut the door behind him. “Please, my brothers,” he pleaded, “don’t do such a WICKED thing! Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them to you & you can do to them whatever you want. But do not do anything to these men, BECAUSE THEY HAVE COME UNDER THE PROTECTION OF MY ROOF.”
9“Get out of the way!” they replied. And they declared, “This one came here as a foreigner & he is already acting like a judge! Now WE WILL TREAT YOU WORSE THAN THEM.” And they pressed in on Lot & moved in to break down the door.
Lot tried to protect them since they had come under his roof. The angels ended up in protecting Lot & his family. God is merciful.
You also bear false witness AGAINST Job by saying he had sex with his daughters. He didn't WILLINGLY have sex with his daughters. He is righteous as God said. His daughters tricked & deceived their father & HE WAS NOT AWARE THAT IT HAPPENED BEING SO DRUNK.
Again IF you had read the TEXT of Scripture, the true God-breathed out words of the LORD, you wouldn't have come to your erroneous conclusions.
Gen 19:31-38 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, & there is no man in the land to SLEEP with us, as is THE CUSTOM over all the earth. Come, let us get our father drunk with wine, so that we can sleep with him & preserve his line.”
33So that night they got their father drunk with wine & the firstborn came & slept with her father; HE WAS NOT AWARE WHEN SHE LAY DOWN NOR WHEN SHE GOT UP.
34The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Look, I slept with my father last night. Let us get him drunk with wine again tonight, so you can go sleep with him & we can preserve our father’s line.”
35So again that night THEY GOT THEIR FATHER DRUNK with wine & the younger daughter went & slept with him; he was NOT aware when she lay down or when she got up.
36Thus both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37The older daughter gave birth to a son & named him Moab. He is the father of the Moabites of today. The younger daughter also gave birth to a son & she named him Ben-ammi. He is the father of the Ammonites of today.
As we can see Job was not aware of his daughters committing incest & actually raping him while he was incapacitated & unaware. They also were following the pagan customs in which they lived, which had men sleep with women, as opposed to getting married & having children as husband & wife, as God commanded.
If you also see the resultant offspring & the nations they developed into, you will see that the Ammonites were some of the wickedest pagan people at that time.
2 Peter 2:6-9 If He condemned the cities of Sodom & Gomorrah to destruction, reducing them to ashes as an example of what is coming on the ungodly; and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked. Yes, Lot was a righteous man who was tormented in his soul by the wickedness he saw & heard day after day. If all this is true, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials & to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
Who were the Ammonites? | GotQuestions.org
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