What is Science?

[katerinah1947]

Is psychology science or not? My brother has a PHd in psy, if we were to tell him that psychology is a red herring and not real science, he may take issue with that. Even I was under the impression that Fraud and Jung were medical doctors. Do you take issue with psychiatrists also?

Of course I can because you can not show otherwise. As long as you can not falsify the claim then the claim stands. If you want to join the ranks of revisionists then your ignoring 95% of the evidence so you can attempt to pick at 5% of the evidence. I am not sure how you can ignore an overwhelming abundance of evidence to pick at things that have little or no substance.

Not at all, that is just one example of many. There are many many areas where the Bible can be shown to be very accurate and true. Science is suppose to be able to sort through this to tell us what has been proven and what has not been proven. It really makes me wonder about science when they fight against the truth the way they so often do.

My training and study is in the Bible and in the Bible we study shadows and types. Also I have read some allegories, which I find to be very interesting. I am not an expert in psychology and dealing with archetypes. I wish I was because people like Walt Disney and Steven Spielberg make a lot of money off of dealing in that. So IF science can not disregard archetypes then all the more allegories and the shadow and types we find in the Bible has great value for our understanding the human mind and the human condition.

Science likes to use the term Trojan horse out of Homer's book. The historical accuracy of the actual Trojan house does not matter to the concept and the use of the word in medicine. In Greek Mythology the Siren's sing their song and the sailors end up ship wrecked as they were lured into dangerous waters lured by the song. It does not matter if the Sirens were real or not, the lesson is still very valid that we have to be careful not to allow ourselves to become shipwrecked. We can not allow the beautiful song to lure us into dangerous waters.

The Iliad and the Odyssey has some value today. Not nearly as much value as the Bible because there is so much of an abundance in the Bible.

Hi,

Has anyone on this thread actually said Psychology is not a science? If they have, they are wrong. It is a wonderful science.

LOVE,

 

[Loudmouth]

Hi,

Has anyone on this thread actually said Psychology is not a science? If they have, they are wrong. It is a wonderful science.

LOVE,

What most people point to is the lack of strong objective data that is the hallmark of the physical sciences.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What refutes these claims is that no matter what the outcome is, people will claim that God is taking care of them. Someone prays for a cure for their cancer and is cured. God is looking out for them. Someone prays for a cure for their cancer and dies. God decided that death was best for them, so God is looking out for them.

Cancer responds to prayer, cancer also responds to yoga and just about any way you can relax the body. People do not get healed through prayer. The treatment plan to reverse cardio heart disease has been shown to be effective for many other conditions. The plan is diet, exercise and stress control. Prayer helps control stress but there are other ways to control stress and that is good for healing for many different conditions.

 

[Loudmouth]

Cancer responds to prayer, cancer also responds to yoga and just about any way you can relax the body. People do not get healed through prayer. The treatment plan to reverse cardio heart disease has been shown to be effective for many other conditions. The plan is diet, exercise and stress control. Prayer helps control stress but there are other ways to control stress and that is good for healing for many different conditions.

Talk about side stepping the issue . . .

You said that God would protect people. Pointing to the benefits of exercise is a huge side step of the previous claim.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Hi,

Has anyone on this thread actually said Psychology is not a science? If they have, they are wrong. It is a wonderful science.

LOVE,

Psychology is very good for telling you want the problem is. They just do not have a cure. They do a lot of testing. So they are real good at putting a label on people even though they know it is not good to label people.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Talk about side stepping the issue . . .

You said that God would protect people. Pointing to the benefits of exercise is a huge side step of the previous claim.

God does protect people. IF you do your part then you can be sure that God will keep His part of the Covenant. In the case of healing: ""If you listen carefully to the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees," We are told to examine ourselves. Paul says: "For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep" I would feel better if Paul used the word "few" but he uses the word "many".

 

[bhsmte]

Talk about side stepping the issue . . .

You said that God would protect people. Pointing to the benefits of exercise is a huge side step of the previous claim.

When you can't support the claim, just repeat it again.

 

[katerinah1947]

What most people point to is the lack of strong objective data that is the hallmark of the physical sciences.

Hi,

By this for one of the hardest sciences on the planet, you must mean measurements using mechanical, optical or electronic tools. Is that right?

Even hard physical evidence is still misunderstood some of the time. Still all things, including God are under the field of science, and to say they are not, is to not understand science.

LOVE,

 

[bhsmte]

Hi,

By this for one of the hardest sciences on the planet, you must mean measurements using mechanical, optical or electronic tools. Is that right?

Even hard physical evidence is still misunderstood some of the time. Still all things, including God are under the field of science, and to say they are not, is to not understand science.

LOVE,

No. He means the many variables involved with human psychology, which are far more difficult to control or even completely understand, compared to the other hard sciences.

This is why, we have not progressed as quickly understanding the human mind, as we have human physiological function.

 

[katerinah1947]

Psychology is very good for telling you want the problem is. They just do not have a cure. They do a lot of testing. So they are real good at putting a label on people even though they know it is not good to label people.

Hi,

Nor does one have a cure for gravity. Yes, people labels change, as they learn more. Phlogiston is no longer fire in Chemistry either. Still Psychology is a science and they are improving in accuracy all the time.

For instance, never was it known what caused Jeffry Dahlmer and people like him to exist. Now they know. And, I am told that they have proven what caused Jeffry and two others identical to him, to be like that.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

No. He means the many variables involved with human psychology, which are far more difficult to control or even completely understand, compared to the other hard sciences.

This is why, we have not progressed as quickly understanding the human mind, as we have human physiological function.

Hi,

I thought he was pro science, including Psychology?

LOVE,

 

[bhsmte]

Hi,

I thought he was pro science, including Psychology?

LOVE,

What did he say, that makes you conclude he isn't pro science?

 

[katerinah1947]

God does protect people. IF you do your part then you can be sure that God will keep His part of the Covenant. In the case of healing: ""If you listen carefully to the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees," We are told to examine ourselves. Paul says: "For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep" I would feel better if Paul used the word "few" but he uses the word "many".

Hi,

Yes, God does protect people, but not as people think of being protected. Job was not protected for awhile. Neither was the blind man in Jesus time. Others we are told, are ill and it is to those that God normally reveals Himself, a huge amount greater than with and in those who are not sick and dying.

The Protestant idea, that God is everyone's Sugar Daddy, and Health Daddy, is simply not true. Catholic Speaking, every person who knows God is also given a health problem also.

On another front, those who are the least economically normally have more contacts with God, than those who are well off.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

What did he say, that makes you conclude he isn't pro science?

Hi,

Post 205 and my late entry. I really am over tired. Maybe I should rest awhile before trying to see what is going on here.

LOVE,

 

[bhsmte]

Hi,

Post 205 and my late entry. I really am over tired. Maybe I should rest awhile before trying to see what is going on here.

LOVE,

205 was not his post.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Hi,

Yes, God does protect people, but not as people think of being protected. Job was not protected for awhile. Neither was the blind man in Jesus time. Others we are told, are ill and it is to those that God normally reveals Himself, a huge amount greater than with and in those who are not sick and dying.

The Protestant idea, that God is everyone's Sugar Daddy, and Health Daddy, is simply not true. Catholic Speaking, every person who knows God is also given a health problem also.

On another front, those who are the least economically normally have more contacts with God, than those who are well off.

LOVE,

It is actually the Catholics that put all the walking sticks and crutches on display showing the people that have been healed.

 

[SkyWriting]

Google "science is a way of knowing" and we get 213,000,000 results mostly from Universities. There is a book from the Harvard press: "Science as a way of knowing". Google that and we get another 210,000,000 results. Sort of makes you wonder how far atheism is willing to go to deny science. Or in the least wonder how much science does not agree with itself.

The process of science is testing claims and recreating
the observations of others from a "hostile" viewpoint.

Physicists Debunk Claim Of a New Kind of Fusion

Cold fusion device verified by third party

Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers

Why is cold fusion considered bogus?

 

[Loudmouth]

God does protect people. IF you do your part then you can be sure that God will keep His part of the Covenant. In the case of healing: ""If you listen carefully to the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees," We are told to examine ourselves. Paul says: "For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep" I would feel better if Paul used the word "few" but he uses the word "many".

So if someone asks God to protect them from cancer and they die from cancer, does that mean that God does not protect people?

 

[katerinah1947]

205 was not his post.

Hi,

Even though there was a reason no one complained when I was too pooped to participate at work, I think that has happened here. I am too tired to comprehend now.

I am sorry. I will retire for awhile. 205 not being his post, really says a lot.

Good night everyone,

LOVE,
...Mary Katie., .... .

 

[Loudmouth]

The process of science is testing claims and recreating
the observations of others from a "hostile" viewpoint.

Very little of science is repeating experiments done by other people. What happens most often is that someone creates a different experiment that tests the same hypothesis from a different angle.