What is science?

[notto]

Through science, man keeps thinking that he has finally sussed out various things to do with life and the universe only to find some years down the line that those 'truths' are being revised and changed when 'new discoveries in science come to light.

Science doesn't claim 'truth'. Science provides a way to study and explain and eliminate what is 'false'. It has done so with the theory of a young earth and a global flood. These have been proven false.

Scientific theories provide the best model for explaining what we see. As more data is collected, these models are changed to refine the description. Not once, are the models called 'truth'. They are accepted until they are either falsified or extended based on new evidence. This is a strength of science, not a weakness.

You seem to be saying that if science is wrong in one area that it must be wrong in all. Not a very scientific way of looking at the issues. It is demonstratably false.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

It's also worth remembering that long standing theories are generally refined rather than discarded.

Take Newton. Newton was superceded by Einstein. Einstein's equations work better. But Newton's are simpler and are good enough for most situations. So we still use Newton's laws when, say, sending a probe to Jupiter. Newton has been superceded, but hardly completely discarded as "wrong".

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

Gary you should rejoice in the perfection of the universe and the discovery of the scientists who found that perfection. Why do you kill the messanger?

Because the scientists didnt find that perfection.

 

[Arikay]

It should be noted that the theory of evolution will never become anything but, it wont grow up and become a law or morph into a fact, or anything like that.
Theory is as high as it goes, and that can be pretty high on the "is this true" metter, such as cell theory or germ theory. Both still theories, but they are pretty high on the correct metter.

 

[Philosoft]

Here's an idea: We Yanks can petition our congressmen to introduce the Bill of Evolution. If such a thing ever passes it will, as we all know, become a law.

Side benefit: The state will be bound to intervene when anyone or anything violates our law!

 

[Arikay]

::starts singing song::

"I'm just a bill
Yes, I'm only a bill
And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill..."

::wanders off in the distance, humming::

 

[USAF]

Revolutio

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Umm... they are under different ownership? I am talking about those ones that explain everything that goes in in the natural world. I wasn't aware they belonged to anyone apart, obviously, from God if he exists.

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as I ‘ve stated, you got mans world and Gods world. Mans world only includes his physical surroundings, Now sure you may say it includes spiritual as well, yet man by science cannot explain it because he cannot see it. So how can it include that? Gods world is everything



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Mechanical Bliss



Just because some theories are somewhat true, does not mean the general body of theories are true. A Theory is a hypothesis. We know there is gravity. We feel it. Now, when was the last time a man evolved? I bet it will have 50 0’s after it, why is that? because the more 0’s you have, the safer it is to assume it happened . Argue it all you want


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LorentzHA



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A theory is a series of observations and experimentation, data, that has not been falsified.

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So to state this would mean that all theories are by default true? Or is there 1 exception for 1 specific “theory”?

 

[fungle]

Gary we all know the sun orbits the earth. The bible says so.

 

[LorentzHA]

So to state this would mean that all theories are by default true? Or is there 1 exception for 1 specific “theory”?

I have already explained this to you, so here it goes again: They (Theories) are accepted as true unless they are able to be falsified. I think you are confusing it with the lay use of the word theory. Like one neighbor telling another that they have a "theory" as to why their son's little league team lost. Quite a meaning, in science. I see person after person come here and say evolution is only a theory. This is another sign that you are devoid of a science background.

No, I do not know of any exceptions for "1 specific theory", what are you hoping for an exception to creationISM? A little late for that wouldn't you say?-140 years is a long time to go back and revive falsified theories. Plus if we start making exceptions for creationISM then out of fairness, we will also have to revive Plogiston Chemistry, Protein as the hereditary material and geocentrism.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Just because some theories are somewhat true, does not mean the general body of theories are true. A Theory is a hypothesis.

A theory is not a hypothesis. This indicates that you do not understand the scientific method. A scientific theory is an explanation of all available facts arrived at by deducing the most logical conclusion. It is not mere guesswork.

We know there is gravity.

We know that evolution occurs as well. Like gravity, evolution is both fact and theory. That descent with modification occurs is fact. The combined mechanism that causes this is the theory of evolution which is arrived at by deducing the most logical mechanisms from observational facts and experimentation. Gravity is also theory (general relativity) and fact.

Now, when was the last time a man evolved?

Evolution simply doesn't just stop, so that's a strawman.

I bet it will have 50 0’s after it, why is that? because the more 0’s you have, the safer it is to assume it happened . Argue it all you want

Ignorant strawman argument. And by the way, long ages are reported because of evidence, not some sort of conspiracy.

You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

Gary we all know the sun orbits the earth. The bible says so.

Did I miss something?

 

[Mike Flynn]

am I out to convince people? Do I care what they think?

No, you are out to judge people and make them stumble. That much is obvious to everyone but you.

 

[Mike Flynn]

Through science, man keeps thinking that he has finally sussed out various things to do with life and the universe only to find some years down the line that those 'truths' are being revised and changed when 'new discoveries in science come to light.

True. But science is a process of refinement. We may never get it 'perfect', but we certainly are much closer to the truth about the universe today than we ever were in the past, correct?

Do you think the study of biblical theology is any different? If the truths in the Bible are plain, why can't people seem to agree about them throughout history?

What's wrong with seeking truth in creation? Like the Bible, was it not God who made it? There are two ways to be fallible Gary: one is in our interpretations of nature. The second is in our interpretations of scripture. All you are doing is ignoring God's creation, and assuming your interpretations of the scripture are perfect. Thankfully, the truth is that your interpretations of scripture are fallible, like anyone else's. Perhaps its time you admit this to yourself.

 

[MySavior]

USAF I think you need to do some study like I did. I found out evolution does exist and it is not what you think it is. There is a lot more to it!! Are you afraid of learning? If you are don't be. I was that way to. If you study you can get more intelligent. If you want I can tell you some good books to read and and information with some good data and pictures in it. There is much proof of this and you do not have to be afraid because of a lower intelligence. I was like that to but now am learning a lot. I can help you if you want

 

[LorentzHA]

USAF I think you need to do some study like I did. I found out evolution does exist and it is not what you think it is. There is a lot more to it!! Are you afraid of learning? If you are don't be. I was that way to. If you study you can get more intelligent. If you want I can tell you some good books to read and and information with some good data and pictures in it. There is much proof of this and you do not have to be afraid because of a lower intelligence. I was like that to but now am learning a lot. I can help you if you want

Excellent advice MySavior. You are kind to offer your help to him!!

 

[lucaspa]

Want to answer my question? How do you speak for God that a clone is not a creature of God?

Notice I said "creature of God" not "creation of God". You subtly changed terms.


To live by Gods word, reproduction should ideally only happen between a man and a woman through sexual intercourse within the sanctity of christian marriage.

Can you please post your evidence from "Gods word"? In context, please.

I take it from this argument that humans derived from in vitro fertilization don't have souls, either. After all, they didn't result from sexual intercourse.

Creation of another human being outside of christian marriage is against Gods word

If the clone is created by a married couple, then it's OK?

Both methods are between man and woman as laid down by Gods law in scripture.

Why then, didn't you cite the scripture? Again, in context please. I want the verses before and after. Not just a single verse taken out of context.

Any other form of creating a human being is an abomination of Gods wishes. Clones are not creatures of God, but creatures of man.

Can you quote God on this? God chose to regard the Hebrews as His Chosen People. God chooses to forgive our sins. God chooses to accept us for eternal life. Why would God choose to punish these people simply because they came as clones instead of sexual intercourse. It sounds like you are trying to be God.

 

[LorentzHA]

MySavior, I think Creationists become so dogmatic because they have tied falsified/bad science to their faith. They try anything they can to makethe bad science float, because if it does not it will their faith down with it. A shame is what it really is!

 

[lucaspa]

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You went far beyond that. You claimed evolution is a false theory. It's not. You committed false witness. We are supposed to hound you for that.



Technically, a theory cannot be true or false, because it is a theory.

No, a theory can be true or false. For instance, the theory that the earth is flat is definitely false, isn't it? So is the theory (advanced about 1900) that proteins are the hereditary material.

OTOH, theories can be true. That is, accurately describe how that part of the physical universe works. What you are thinking is that, by deductive logic, we are unable to definitively "prove" they are true. But objectively, there must be true theories for each part of the physical universe.

 

[lucaspa]

Through science, man keeps thinking that he has finally sussed out various things to do with life and the universe only to find some years down the line that those 'truths' are being revised and changed when 'new discoveries in science come to light.

Right. But can you deny that there is really a true theory out there that describes each various thing to do with life and the universe? We are searching for those theories. Deductive logic and testing means that we find those theories by forming theories and testing them. When the testing shows our theory to be partially wrong, we modify the theory to correct the error, then test it again. We are searching for the true theories and approach them by refining our current theories.

Notice that the theory that the earth is round is still around. So is the theory that the sun is the center of the solar system. Don't you accept both as true? Don't you even regard them as not theories any more (which they are) but as facts? And don't you think fact = true?

 

[USAF]

Mysavoir



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USAF I think you need to do some study like I did. I found out evolution does exist and it is not what you think it is

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My studying indicates the inverse. I don’t care what your study showed