What is science?

[USAF]

Meatros





What would you not understand about “God did it”? as I said before, this is faith. To challenge this by watching mans environment and proclaiming mans fabrication to be Gods !!how he did it!! miracle, that my friend is a challenge of that faith, that’s mans interpretation added to faith. Look what it has already caused, I have heard one person tell me Adam was not real, another tell me Garden of Eden was fake. Its sad

 

[revolutio]

Revolutio



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You understand what I mean. I used magic as it is a traditional term for something that defies the laws of nature. Don't get caught up in the semantics.

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depends, whose law of Nature?

Umm... they are under different ownership? I am talking about those ones that explain everything that goes in in the natural world. I wasn't aware they belonged to anyone apart, obviously, from God if he exists.

Please please learn to use quotes, it is so much easier to read.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

am I out to convince people? Do I care what they think?

Apparently you do otherwise you wouldn't be name-calling or even bothering to post here.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

Are you using the layman's definition of the word "theory"?

A scientific theory can be proven false. Evolution is a scientific theory and it has withstood all attempts to falsify it.

The same can be said for Atomic Theory.

Evolution hasnt been proven absolutely true either, too many missing links.
Therefore it is a theory.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

So you admit that your previous statement was false then and you agree that the bible does not quite clearly state how everything was formed?

The book of Genesis states exactly how the universe was formed. That God 'just did it' is a perfectly good explanation to me, not a falsehood at all.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

Meatros





What would you not understand about “God did it”? as I said before, this is faith. To challenge this by watching mans environment and proclaiming mans fabrication to be Gods !!how he did it!! miracle, that my friend is a challenge of that faith, that’s mans interpretation added to faith. Look what it has already caused, I have heard one person tell me Adam was not real, another tell me Garden of Eden was fake. Its sad

Totally agree with this!

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

That's not why evolution is termed a "scientific theory." Theories don't get proved either. You seem to be continuing from the same original misunderstanding of the scientific method.

Plate tectonics theory, cell theory, atomic theory, etc. haven't been "proven absolutely true either." That doesn't mean anything regarding their veracity--the same goes for evolutionary biology. They have not been disproved, however, which is relevant.

 

[armed2010]

Evolution hasnt been proven absolutely true either, too many missing links.
Therefore it is a theory.

Theory of gravity, germ theory, atomic theory, quantum theory, string theory, etc.

 

[Philosoft]

The book of Genesis states exactly how the universe was formed. That God 'just did it' is a perfectly good explanation to me, not a falsehood at all.

Good gravy. You are surely joking. Genesis is about as inexact a methodology as one could ask for.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

Good gravy. You are surely joking. Genesis is about as inexact a methodology as one could ask for.

Why?

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

Through science, man keeps thinking that he has finally sussed out various things to do with life and the universe only to find some years down the line that those 'truths' are being revised and changed when 'new discoveries in science come to light.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

I mam not saying that science doesnt have a plac in our lives, its just that there are certain things that we have to accept as created by God.

Excuse the spelling....fingers tired this time in the morning.

 

[Arikay]

Thats fine, just dont call "god just did it, that answers it" science.

Of course, a literal genesis does bring up theological problems, such as, whats all this evidence doing around here that falsifies it. Unfortunatly the most common creationist answer to this problem is to present false information, plug their ears and hope it all goes away.

The book of Genesis states exactly how the universe was formed. That God 'just did it' is a perfectly good explanation to me, not a falsehood at all.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

That's not why evolution is termed a "scientific theory." Theories don't get proved either. You seem to be continuing from the same original misunderstanding of the scientific method.

Plate tectonics theory, cell theory, atomic theory, etc. haven't been "proven absolutely true either." That doesn't mean anything regarding their veracity--the same goes for evolutionary biology. They have not been disproved, however, which is relevant.

Just because my profile says gardener, I hope you are not assuming that i have the IQ of an ice cube. I was involved with 'scientific method' for many years in my previous work, I now just have a much clearer understanding of the word theory.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

My judgement was based upon the fact that you don't seem to understand why evolution is considered a scientific theory (as well as a fact) and that you think that under some circumstance the theory of evolution could be absolutely proved. Your supposed "clearer understanding" of the word theory does not seem consistent with how the term "theory" is used in science.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

Thats fine, just dont call "god just did it, that answers it" science.

Of course, a literal genesis does bring up theological problems, such as, whats all this evidence doing around here that falsifies it. Unfortunatly the most common creationist answer to this problem is to present false information, plug their ears and hope it all goes away.

I wasnt aware that I had called it science.
As for the rest of your statement, surely everything that you look at proves it.
I think the problem is that some people look for fact, when they should be looking for faith.

 

[Arikay]

I never said you said it, just that you shouldn't say it.

Tell me.

Why cant you do both?

God created the earth and nature, right?
Science is the study of the earth and nature, right?

if so,
Science is the study of gods creation.

Unless gods creation lies to us, if it constantly says one thing, I think we should believe it, after all, it is made by god, right?

I wasnt aware that I had called it science.
As for the rest of your statement, surely everything that you look at proves it.
I think the problem is that some people look for fact, when they should be looking for faith.

 

[fungle]

Gary you should rejoice in the perfection of the universe and the discovery of the scientists who found that perfection. Why do you kill the messanger?

 

[LorentzHA]

Evolution hasnt been proven absolutely true either, too many missing links.
Therefore it is a theory.

Gary, for as long as you say you worked in Bio-Chemistry, I am surprised you do not know what a theory is. A scientific theory is not what you claim it to be. To people who are not failiar with science "theory" means, guess. That is not true.

A theory is a series of observations and experimentation, data, that has not been falsified. Compare with a falsified theory: CreationISM

 

[LorentzHA]

Gary, science does not look to "prove" anything. science works by falsification. Of course, I know I am preaching to the choir and you already know this......