What is science?

[LorentzHA]

LorentzHA

Ohh you don’t know 1 thing about me.

Actually by your reaction, I think I am dead on with my original profile. I know enough, more than I would like to actually. You are actually quite transparent. I am still sticking to my conclusion that you are not in the Air Force (but would someday like to be-not that they are ultra picky, but I bet this is your goal). I also know that you are extemely immature-therefore, not a grown man-mentally or physically.

You guys are upset because I state things and wont provide you with “”evidence”” I ask you how will it change your minds

If you are not willing to provide evidence than why are you here? We know it is not to fellowship with other Christians, you are constantly degrading them. And we know it is NOT to learn science, so WHY ARE YOU HERE? Can you answer that? You want us to accept creationISM because, USAF says so?? You do not seem credible on any other topic, so why would we accept creationISM from you, especially WITHOUT evidence??

 

[USAF]

Lucaspa

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LOL! When you can post data that shows the theory is false, I'll accept it as false.

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because I shouldn’t have to Lucaspa. Nor do I care to. Its not for me to state, its for you to research. I can careless if you don’t believe me, how will it change my opinion? Because a monkey-man is telling me evolution is real? It’s a theory of assumptions, and I don’t have time to assume. If you believe in evolution, than that is what you believe, but I am not that ignorant to deny God's creation. And I am rather proud to state that. And no, its not by mans fabricated evolution

 

[USAF]

LorentzHA



hahaha
If that’s what you wish to believe, then that is what you wish to believe. I don’t really care. Why do you keep analyzing my posts and answering remarks I make if you don’t want me to talk to you…um…”scientists” ?

 

[Mike Flynn]

Because a monkey-man is telling me evolution is real?

Arrogance is not a Christian virtue USAF.

It’s a theory of assumptions, and I don’t have time to assume

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You seem to have plenty of time to assume its false and state that assertion over and over again. In fact, its clear from you posts that since you never feel any need to support you assertions, then it would seem that all you have time to do is assume.

but I am not that ignorant to deny God's creation.

Unless God has used evolution as His tool to create. In which case you seem content to be quite ignorant.

And I am rather proud to state that. And no, its not by mans fabricated evolution

You may be proud to state it...but that doesn't mean you are right. Elsewhere, you have posted that you do not know how God has done his wonders...except that you know it was not by evolution. The contradiction is enough to show your assertions carry little weight.

BTW, Is all science fabricated USAF, or just the science that you disapprove of?

 

[revolutio]

God put a great deal of effort into creating intricate rules by which the universe would run. The laws are, for lack of a better word, flawless. I see no reason for God to take a respite from these carefully layed laws to do anything. In fact, it is a much more appealing concept of God to me than one who simply "magics" things into existence.

 

[USAF]

Mike Flynn




I really don’t feel I need to support anything, why should I? I pray that one day you may see the truth my friend. I believe what God has stated, I believe what is revealed to the prophets from God. I do not believe in mans fabrication, nor mans ability to deny Gods creation and replace it by such a fabrication as evolution.





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Revolution



There is nothing "Magic" about God my friend

 

[revolutio]

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There is nothing "Magic" about God my friend

You understand what I mean. I used magic as it is a traditional term for something that defies the laws of nature. Don't get caught up in the semantics.

Please start using the

tags it makes things much much easier to read.

 

[Cantuar]

Sorry, but the last sentence isn't true, either. Some recent references:
1: Wood WJ. The stairway to recovery. An emerging worldview uncovers God's wisdom in nature.Health Prog. 1992 Mar;73(2):54-9.PMID: 10116506
2: Russell RJ. Did God create our universe? Theological reflections on the Big Bang, inflation,and quantum cosmologies.Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2001 Dec;950:108-27.
3: Gingerich O. Scientific cosmology meets western theology: a historical perspective.Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2001 Dec;950:28-38.

Try a PubMed search on "God" and see what you get.

While science does bother to "touch" on deity, science hasn't been able to reach a consensus due to the limitations of methodological materialism.

Those papers you cited don't look all that scientific to me. I mean, terms like "worldview" and "theological reflections" and "western theology" sound like papers written outside the parameters of science.

 

[Cantuar]

If I had solid evidence that evolution was wrong, I wouldn't beleive it. Why else would I beleive it in the first place?

Because it saves you from having to bow down and give your life to Jesus, of course, since it's just an atheistic fabrication. Surprised you even had to ask.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

I really don’t feel I need to support anything, why should I?

If you want anyone to take anything you say seriously you should. If you want to actually have something other than zero credibility here you should. If you don't want to be banned for being a troll you should. Why bother posting here if this is your attitude? The only reason would be to troll for some self-righteous reason like painting evolution as atheism and slamming anyone who accepts the theory of evolution (Christian or not) as heretical.

 

[fungle]

I have come back after a break and I wonder why you have reverted to your initial aggresive attitude after ,I felt, that you were willing to go after a more moderate consensual discourse.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

Want to answer my question? How do you speak for God that a clone is not a creature of God?

Notice I said "creature of God" not "creation of God". You subtly changed terms.


To live by Gods word, reproduction should ideally only happen between a man and a woman through sexual intercourse within the sanctity of christian marriage. Creation of another human being outside of christian marriage is against Gods word and forgiveness should be sought by the couple involved. Both methods are between man and woman as laid down by Gods law in scripture. Any other form of creating a human being is an abomination of Gods wishes. Clones are not creatures of God, but creatures of man.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

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You went far beyond that. You claimed evolution is a false theory. It's not. You committed false witness. We are supposed to hound you for that.



Technically, a theory cannot be true or false, because it is a theory.

 

[Meatros]

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You went far beyond that. You claimed evolution is a false theory. It's not. You committed false witness. We are supposed to hound you for that.



Technically, a theory cannot be true or false, because it is a theory.

Are you using the layman's definition of the word "theory"?

A scientific theory can be proven false. Evolution is a scientific theory and it has withstood all attempts to falsify it.

The same can be said for Atomic Theory.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

I told you already dude. there is piles of evidence for it, and none falsifying it.
where is that then dude?
well actually it is a possible outcome if you run the quantum mechanics backwards in time. still, just because we don't know how the big bang started doesn't mean that it never happened.
there are a number of possibilities dude, loigcal necessity, quantum tunneling, ekpyrotic, even God!
well we dunno how it started yet, so no worries!


Firstly, all books other than the bible as far as I know only suggests how the universe was formed, whereas the bible states quite clearly how everything was formed.

Secondly, how is it that as an atheist, you can use God in any argument at all because as an atheist God doesn't exist at all.

 

[Meatros]

whereas the bible states quite clearly how everything was formed.

No it doesn't. The closest the bible comes is saying "God did it" (basically), which tells us exactly zero as to what processes were involved in how the universe was formed.

 

[GARY SCHULZ]

Why do any of us need to know the processes involved?

 

[Meatros]

Why do any of us need to know the processes involved?

So you admit that your previous statement was false then and you agree that the bible does not quite clearly state how everything was formed?

 

[Cantuar]

Technically, a theory cannot be true or false, because it is a theory.

Technically a theory can be false. So far the theory of evolution isn't one of the false theories.

 

[USAF]

Revolutio



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You understand what I mean. I used magic as it is a traditional term for something that defies the laws of nature. Don't get caught up in the semantics.

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depends, whose law of Nature?



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Mechanical Bliss





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If you want anyone to take anything you say seriously you should.

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am I out to convince people? Do I care what they think?









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Why bother posting here if this is your attitude?

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why respond to me then?