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What is salvation?

Yahuseph

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Good day.

I did a search on the web, and found out that no one has a clear answer to "what is salvation?". People has many articles on their websites, yet I do not find the whole scriptural explaination on what salvation really is, except for one article on "untotheages.wordpress.com" (You have to search for yourself, if you want). The article is "Plan of the ages II - the Assembly". But if anyone want to add, feel free.
 

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Many people believe in the trinity, and when the read that the Messiah is the only begotten son, then they quickly turn around and say, He isn't really the only begotten son (which is unscriptural), but he really is the Almight (also unscriptural). So the question that was raised is that if the Messiah is not the only begotten of the Father, then how then are you saved? Since the Creator's plan was for us to be saved thru His only begotten Son.

The trinity teaching distorts the good news of salvation. No wonder most people have no clue on how to explain the wonderful good news of salvation.
 
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Many people believe in the trinity, and when the read that the Messiah is the only begotten son, then they quickly turn around and say, He isn't really the only begotten son (which is unscriptural), but he really is the Almight (also unscriptural). So the question that was raised is that if the Messiah is not the only begotten of the Father, then how then are you saved? Since the Creator's plan was for us to be saved thru His only begotten Son.

The trinity teaching distorts the good news of salvation. No wonder most people have no clue on how to explain the wonderful good news of salvation.

Are u saying believing in trinity takes away from salvation?

I don't think ignorance in believing in a trinity or not matters ....god knows his children
 
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I was saying it was against the scriptures, and it distorts its teaching. The plain truth of how our Creator sets forth his plan of the ages thru his only begotten son. In spirit and in truth. The children of the almighty Father loves truth, and always grows in knowledge and truth. They don't go into a state of ignorance, that's what you leave behind when you become part of the body of his anointed One.

All are invited to be adopted as children, and as children you should not be offended by the plain truth of the Father's words. There are one God, the Father. He is the only true God.
 
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I'm not offended...really...I was just trying to understand your point of view ... I believe in trinity...when Jesus revealed himself to John in his revelation to him...John turned to who was talking to him and saw a god ...no doubt about it

So you think Jesus was only a man and not a god?

Also we as children of god are ignorant to many things...yes I agree god wants us to know the truth but sometimes it takes revelation ...peace
 
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Well, of cause you understand it that way. When Jehovah's witnessness (?) read certain scriptures, they read Jesus as an angel. Which I think we both would disagree with. And yet we read from the same passages. So what then is the problem? The problem is the preconceived or adopted religious views of the reader.

Why would someone ever say that Jesus appeared unto John as God, unless they have a pre-adopted believe that he is God? Especially when there isn't a single scripture to support it?

Let us be reasonable here.
 
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Well, of cause you understand it that way. When Jehovah's witnessness (?) read certain scriptures, they read Jesus as an angel. Which I think we both would disagree with. And yet we read from the same passages. So what then is the problem? The problem is the preconceived or adopted religious views of the reader.

Why would someone ever say that Jesus appeared unto John as God, unless they have a pre-adopted believe that he is God? Especially when there isn't a single scripture to support it?

Let us be reasonable here.

Ok so lets reason a bit brother....what do you think John saw ?....I mean how do you interprete what John saw when he turned around?

No scriptural support ?...well off the top of my head Jesus is worshiped....only god is worshiped right? So why do they worship Christ?
 
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What revelation whould contradict the revelation in the written word of the Father. Only false revelation would contradict His words.

What contradiction are you taking about? That god is one so Jesus cannot be a god?...I think that's what you are saying...well god the father god the son god the Holy Spirit are one .....in unity...one and the same ....I understand it like this...like a family....the father the wife the child ....3 beings....one family....even Jesus said I and my father are one....2 beings yet one in purpose....also like the husband and wife become one flesh...2 beings ....one flesh.....
 
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What did John see? He saw the risen anointed One in his immortal body, who are "alive unto the ages of the ages". This is that life which he received from the Father. And we thru the anointed One, being part of his body, also receive this life thru him. Those who believe in him and his works which he set out in the name of the Father, we the believers form one body, and he is the head of that body. Since we are the body of the anointed One, we become fellow heirs with the anointed One. Thru him, we have access unto the Father, who adopts us in His only begotten Son.

Since Jesus is the only begotten of the Father, we can only beome sons and daughters as part of his body. So in Him and thru him we worship the Father. John also worshipped the angel, yet we are to worship the Father thru his only begotten Son.

Before the time of the ages, the living Creator brought forth his son. And thru him He created everything else. So Jesus was the first and the last, and everything else was created thru him. For this reason he are adored by us. But we do this unto the esteem of the Father.

"To the only wise God our Saviour (thru Yahusha (Jesus) the anointed, our Master), be esteem and greatness, power and authority, before all time, both now and unto all the ages. Amen." - Jude 1:25

"To Him be esteem in the assembly in the anointed Yahusha to all generations unto the age of the ages" - Eph. 3:21

"There is one body, and one spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling, One Master, one faith, one immersion, One God (and Father) of all, who is above all, and thru all, and in you all." - Eph. 4:4-6

You must understand that our Creator the Father purposed for us to become his children thru his only begotten son, in His son. To be part of the body of his son. Believers form one body, the Son is the head of that body, and we therefore become fellow sons and daughters and fellow heirs with him. Because there is no other way, except thru him. And so I ask again if not the only begotten son,the beginning of the creation of the God, the firstborn of all creation as the scriptures says, then how do we become sons and daughters of the Father, when he purposed for us to become children thru his only begotten son whom he created before the times of the ages.

As for the "I and my Father are one" line. You are simply quoting one single verse to mean alot more than it really means. Have you read the chapters surrounding it, and the message he tried to communicate unto the Jews? Did you read chapter 15? He says that he was sent from the Father and the Father testifies thru him, and he testifies of the Father. And they are one in testimony. And that he asks his learners to abide in his love, as he abides in the love of his Father. So that he is in the Father and the Father in Him and therefore they are one. He is the vine, and the Father is the Gardener who planted the vine. Those who believe in the vine, becomes part of the vine, they are the branches. And since they are part of the vine, they take part of the things that the vine receives. The Father gives water unto the Vine, and this water spreads unto its branches. So also as the only heir of the Father Jesus receives the spirit of promise from the Father, who created him before the time of the ages. Those who form part of his body, can take part of the spirit. For the scriptures says:

"In him dwells the fullness of the divinity in bodily form" - Col. 2:9

So we who are part of this Vine receives this same water, the spirit, which is the inheritence of the only begotten son. And in him, we have one Father. And thru him has access unto the Father. And we worship him, only unto the esteem of the Father. We worship the Father thru him, and in him. We are one body, and the only begotten son the head of that body, and we take part in the divinity, the divine nature. For the Father fills all in all.

"Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises, that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." - 2 Pet. 1:5

"In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, IN WHOM also after that you believed, you were sealed with the set-apart spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our INHERITENCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his Eph. 1

Jesus was the Vine that was planted before the times of the ages. And we who form part of his body, have access unto the promise of the spirit of the Father, which is the inheritence, to take part in the divine nature. For we were created to be sons and daughters of the Father. But because of sin death came into the world. And sinners cannot take part in the divine nature, and the Father is the God of the living. So he set forth his plan thru his son, so that we also may become children. And because we are children. We become fellow heirs. Now we are rid of our sins by becoming part of the body of the one who was without sin. Only in him we are made clean. And the Father fills all in all with his set-apart spirit which he gives unto his only son. And only in this son, who was created first, can we take part in the spirit, and therefore the divine nature.

The Son abides in the love of the Father and are one with the Father. And he prayed that we also may become one in them, thru him.

All things considered. Do not force your tradition into the scriptures. He said that he and the Father is one, and prayed that we may also become one with them. Obviously this "being one" is a lot different than what you are reading into the scripture. Just do yourself a favor, and go read your bible, without your traditions in mind. Look at it this way. If your traditions are true. Then you should arrive at it again. But if false, then how does that benefit you spiritually?
 
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By the way. The Spirit is the spirit of the Father. It is our inheritence who believe, to take part in the divine nature. We are sealed with it. It is poured upon us. We are immersed in it. It is the water of life which will be in paradise, and the Lamb will lead us unto it. It is the sword, the word of the Father, His breath. It can be quenched, by our actions. It can be fill us up, and refill us. The Lord will slay the beast with the sword (breath, spirit) that proceeds out of his mouth at his coming. It is the finger of the Father. It moves us. Timothy says the scriptures came thru the breath of the God. And Peter says the scriptures came by men who were moved by the spirit.
 
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So you believe Jesus was a created being...when was he created at birth? Or before? Jesus said to John I am the alpha and omega the beginning and the end the first and last ...they worship the lamb saying worthy is the lamb that was slain...he is worship as god is in heaven...and sits at the right hand of god as god...I don't believe in Demi gods
 
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It doesn't matter what you believe. The truth remains the same. And if you are referring to the King James bible, verse 11 is a false addition. He doesn't say "I am the Alpha and the Omega". Read the whole from the beginning of Revelations. At verse 4 and 5 it reads:

"John to the seven assemblies which are in Asia. Grace unto you, and peace, from him WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME, and from the seven spirits which are before his throne. And from Yahusha the anointed, the faithful witness, the first begotten of the dead ones, and the chief of the kings of the earth. Unto him who loves us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood."

As you can read Jesus is not the one who is, and was and is to come. That is the Father who's name reflects that line. Yahweh (Yah-u-eh) is the self existing one. In fact your bible should read at verse 8:

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Master Yahueh, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the absolute Ruler"

There is scripturally (as you can well see) no basis to claim what you have claimed, that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega.

As you read, Yahusha has "washed us from our sins in his own blood"! Why should we not praise him for that wonderful deed? That doesn't mean his the almighty, it means that he is our Master and Head of the assembly, unto the esteem of the Father.

The word god can be referred to anyone. It was referred to Moses, to the ones the word of the God came to, and even the adversary (satan) is called the god of this age. The anointed One is the god of the next age. And afterward he shall give up the kingdom unto the Father and the Father will be all in all. And Jesus is pictured as a Lamb on the new earth, who has finished the will of the Father, His God. And has a new name. And the Father will rule unto the ages of the ages, and be our God, and we will be his children, (again) thru his only child. Everything we do thru his Son. Therefore we praise his Son. And the Son praises the Father. And we praise the Father thru the Son.

"Yahueh created (kanah) me at the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Ages ago I was set up, from the beginning or ever the earth was. When there was no depths, I was brought forth, where there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there, when he set a compass upon the face of the depth. When he established the cloud above, when he strengthened the fountains of the deep. When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment. When he appointed the foundations of the earth. Then I was by his side, as a master builder, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him." - Proverbs 8:22-30

He was created before all, and thru him were all things created. That's why he is in the right sense, "first and the last".

"Yet to us one God, the Father, OUT OF whom are all things, and we in him. And one Master Yahusha the anointed, THRU whom are all things, and we thru him." 1 Corinthians 8:6

Creation is always THRU (Gr. DIA) him. That's the answer to the verse in Genesis 1:26:

"And the God said, Let us make man in our image..."

The "Us" is Yahueh and his son, who were by his side "as a master builder", created before all and thru him we were created. So when the scriptures says he is the only begotten, thats exactly what it means. He was alone created (begotten) by the Father, and THRU him (the master builder) were everything created. If you don't want to believe me, believe the scripture, because it testifies of him. That he is the literal, Son of the Creator, the anointed. John admits that the goal of his testimony is to proof just that. That Yahusha (Jesus) is the anointed one, the son of the living God.

"... These things says the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of the God" - Revelations 3:14

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation" - Col. 1:15

According to the scripture, he was indeed created before the times of the ages. And by the way, the God is invisible, and the scriptures says no one has ever seen him at any time. Many has seen Jesus, on earth and in vision of the Future. Yet no one has seen the God. Stephen before he was stoned, when he looked into the heavens, saw Jesus on the right hand of Esteem. He only saw the esteem of the Father, who is invisible.

"And this is age-lasting life, that they might know you the only true God, and Yahusha the anointed, whom you have sent." - John 17:3

"All were made THRU him (Yahusha), and without him was not anything made that was made." - John 1:3

"And to make all see the fellowship of the secret, which from the beginning of the ages have been hid in the God, who created all things THRU Yahusha the anointed" - Eph. 3:9

"Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, THRU whom he indeed made the ages." - Heb. 1:2

"Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me Yahusha the anointed may show forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them that should hereafter believe on him to age-lasting life. YET unto the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, honor and esteem unto the ages of the ages. Amen." - 1 Tim. 1:16-17

The grace of the Master Yahusha with all the set-apart ones.
 
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Just to add: The God is the one "WHICH IS, AND WHICH WAS AND WHICH IS TO COME" and in contrast Yahusha says: "I am the one that lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive unto the ages of the ages..." - Rev. 1:18

He was alive and was dead and was resurrected by the One who remains in the same state always. The Father is incorruptible, and the anointed had a choice to choose sin, and be corrupted, but he refused, so again praise unto him, for he has opened the way between man and its Creator. According to the foreknowledge of the Father.

The new testament is made in the blood of the one who was without sin, and a testament goes into effect when the testamentor dies. The God is incorruptible, and has no end, so he did make a testament with men, thru his son. And as the testamentor, when he died, the testament went into effect. When he gave his last breath on the stake, the veil of the temple, which is a representation of the Father's dwelling place, was torn in two, indicating that the testament when into effect with the blood of the anointed one. And the way is now open.

The Father's plan is based on his foreknowledge and his power, so it cannot go wrong. He created his son first, and thru his son created all. And knew that his son would carry forth his will. So it pleased Him that we should be saved thru his only begotten Son. And even made messengers (angels) to worship before him. His son indeed deserves praise. And we praise the Father thru him.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Master Yahusha, the anointed, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in the heavenly --- in the anointed one." - Eph. 1:3

You don't have to believe me, but believe the scriptures, not your traditions.
 
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None of us can know or comprehend what or who our Creator really is. Yet we can, just because he chose to reveal himself unto us. That's the point of the good news. He revealed himself in his son Yahusha, so that we may have age-lasting life, and after that age, life unto the ages. So that we may become his children, and a child knows his Father.

"And this is age-lasting life, that they might know you the only true God. And Yahusha the anointed whom you have sent. - John 17:3
 
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