what is salvation?

[Noxot]

what is salvation and what is the purpose of it?

 

[Ran77]

Well, the definition is:

1. the act of saving or protecting from harm, risk, loss, destruction, etc.

2. the state of being saved or protected from harm, risk, etc.

3. a source, cause, or means of being saved or protected from harm, risk, etc.

4. Theology . deliverance from the power and penalty of sin; redemption.


It would appear that salvation is the deliverance from the harm that comes from sin.

 

[daq]

what is salvation and what is the purpose of it?

That is a very subjective question and subject to extremely subjective answers.
Perhaps it begins like so wherein the ending is merely the eternal beginning:

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18. Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. [supernal meaning]
19. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates: [supernal meaning]
21. That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

2 Corinthians 5:1-4 KJV
1. For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3. If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 KJV
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Revelation 21:1-5 KJV
1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Perhaps it is to be clothed upon from on high; each in his own appointed times ...
As the days of heaven upon the earth ...

 

[def]

what is salvation and what is the purpose of it?

Some consider salvation as a process from spiritual birth, sanctification, and finally raised with an imperishable body.

I understand salvation as saving the spirit. When Adam committed the unforgivable sin, we are born dead spiritually. To be born again is that the spirit is brought back to life again. Therefore, to be saved is pertaining to the spirit.

When the spirit is saved, we are free from the slavery of sin because the spirit has desires and competes with the flesh desires. The soul is no longer a slave to the flesh desires.

The spirit is saved by the gift of God, the gift of the Holy Spirit, and it is to those that believe.

 

[Soulgazer]

what is salvation and what is the purpose of it?

We believe "salvation" is the healing of the soul, or core of a person. As in applying a "salve". A person who has been "salved" is very non-plussed, non judgmental, easy going individual. We have noticed this change in personalities after any deep experience with the genuine divine.

As to the purpose of it, let me speculate that "home" is made up of souls that are easy to get along with.... Thus God can take even a judgmental person that delights in making others uncomfortable, and apply a "salve" that heals this disease, if He so chooses.

 

[Clare73]

what is salvation and what is the purpose of it?

Salvation is the forgiveness of sin which saves from the wrath of God on one's sin, which is its purpose.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[J August]

Salvation is the love of God, His eternal forgiveness, His unconditional mercy. Gods wrath is meant for the evil one and his armies, we as humans being sinners are apart of his army, salvation is the choice God has given us to leave behind the life of slavery and enter His eternal service. Salvation is a peace that consumes your spirit, the realization that there is a God and He sent His Son to save an unworthy race of greedy, selfish, sinful creatures know as humans. Jesus didn't have to love us, He doesn't need us to love Him. He wants to love us as His own, and desires us to return His pure love. Knowing that the God of the universe, the King of Heaven such an awesome and powerful Creator wants to have a personal relationship you, the realization of that beautiful fact is mind blowing! It consumes and fulfills! I pray you and yours come to understanding .-)

 

[daq]

Salvation is the forgiveness of sin which saves from the wrath of God on one's sin, which is its purpose.

In the faith,
Clare

That depends on your understanding of the true definition of aphiemi in the context in which it is most often employed. Does it really mean "forgiven" as widely translated? What does forgiven mean? A pardon? Or does aphiemi rather mean "to send away" as layed out for us in Torah? The sins of the people were always "sent away" upon the head of a scapegoat according to the commandments from Leviticus for Yom Kippur-Day of Atonement. The scapegoat was then let go in the wilderness according to the commandment; yet of old time it was decided to send it over a jagged cliff to its death so as to be sure that it never wandered back into the camp, (which would be ceremonially catastrophic with it having all of the sins upon its head).

Matthew 9:2 KJV
2. And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven [GSN#863 aphiemi] thee.

Original Strong's Ref. #863
Romanized aphiemi
Pronounced af-ee'-ay-mee
from GSN0575 and hiemi (to send; an intensive form of eimi, to go); to send forth, in various applications (as follow):
KJV--cry, forgive, forsake, lay aside, leave, let (alone, be, go, have), omit, put (send) away, remit, suffer, yield up.

Matthew 9:2-6
2. And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Yeshua seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Teknon, [child] be of good cheer; the sins of thee be aphiemi-sent away!
3. And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves; This man blasphemes.
4. And Yeshua knowing their thoughts said; Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
5. For whether is easier, to say, The sins of thee be aphiemi-sent away; or to say, Arise, and walk?
6. But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to aphiemi-send away sins, then saith he to the sick of the palsy; Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Only the High Priest was vested in this power upon the earth …
And that was only at Yom Kippur …

John 5:9-14
9. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the Sabbath.
10. The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the Sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
11. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
12. Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
13. And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Yeshua had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
14. Afterward Yeshua findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

If a "worse thing" can return from the wilderness-dry-arid places with seven other spirits more wicked than himself then perhaps the common perception of "salvation" is not a very complete perception, (each in his or her own appointed times and none shall be alone in his appointed times). Those details at The End are the most important and yet the most ignored in modern theology because everyone seems to have been taught that they are already "saved" from day one of the new walk. However, most assuredly if one was to see his "old man scapegoat-twin" go into the Limne tou Puros he would certainly know in that day that his salvation had been accomplished, (and a son would have been born into the kingdom of above being neither male nor female). Perhaps only then will it be possible for a person to truly understand GRACE because there will be nothing one can do in that day to save himself or herself. To live one must be willing to die in the high places of the field; but he that seeks to save his soul will lose it.

 

[wordsoflife]

Salvation occurs on many levels. But, mainly salvation is deliverance. Deliverance from sin, death, hell, and the devil.

 

[bottomofsandal]

Salvation is the love of God, His eternal forgiveness, His unconditional mercy. Gods wrath is meant for the evil one and his armies, we as humans being sinners are apart of his army, salvation is the choice God has given us to leave behind the life of slavery and enter His eternal service. Salvation is a peace that consumes your spirit, the realization that there is a God and He sent His Son to save an unworthy race of greedy, selfish, sinful creatures know as humans. Jesus didn't have to love us, He doesn't need us to love Him. He wants to love us as His own, and desires us to return His pure love. Knowing that the God of the universe, the King of Heaven such an awesome and powerful Creator wants to have a personal relationship you, the realization of that beautiful fact is mind blowing! It consumes and fulfills! I pray you and yours come to understanding .-)

Like the way you emphasize the great work of God's salvation

 

[Clare73]

Salvation is the forgiveness of sin which saves from the wrath of God on one's sin, which is its purpose.

That depends on your understanding of the true definition of aphiemi in the context in which it is most often employed. Does it really mean "forgiven" as widely translated? What does forgiven mean? A pardon? Or does aphiemi rather mean "to send away" as laid out for us in the Torah?

Aphiemi is Greek and means
to send away,
to let off,
to remit or forgive debts/sins, their being completely cancelled;
to give up claim to requittal;
to pardon,
to remit the penalty of.

The sins of the people were always "sent away" upon the head of a scapegoat

Are you sure about that?

What about those three sacrifices on the Day of Atonement, one of them a goat, that were not sent away (Lev 16:15,
24-25)?

Actually, sin was "sent away" only once a year, however, the sin of the people was "atoned" for twice daily by the sacrifices (Lev 17:11; Nu 28:1-4), and also on the Day of Atonement with the sacrifice of the first goat (Lev 16:15).

To "atone" is to make "amends" for an offense, to make "complete satisfaction" for, to "appease" (expiate).
"Atonement" does not carry the meaning "to send away."

A careful reading of Leviticus shows that the Day of Atonement was actually more about cleansing the Tabernacle
of defilement (Lev 16:14, 15, 16, 18, 19) caused by being in the midst of the people (Nu 19:13, 20; Lev 20:3),
and the purpose for sending the sin-bearing scapegoat into the wilderness was to send sin far away from the Tabernacle (Lev 16:22).

After the sin-bearing scapegoat is sent away, then "atonement" (not sending away) is again made with the sacrifice of two rams, one for the sins of the people, and one for the sins of the priests (Lev 16:24-25).

So a careful reading of Leviticus shows that the sin-bearing scapegoat was not about forgiveness for the people, but about cleansing the Tabernacle.

The NT meaning of forgiveness is taken from "remission" by "atonement," not from "send away."

In the faith,
Clare

 

[daq]

Aphiemi is Greek and means
to send away,
to let off,
to remit or forgive debts/sins, their being completely cancelled;
to give up claim to requittal;
to pardon,
to remit the penalty of.



Actually, sin was only "sent away" once a year, however, the sin of the people was "atoned" for twice daily by the sacrifices (Lev 17:11; Nu 28:1-4), and also on the Day of Atonement with the sacrifice of the first goat (Lev 16:15).

To "atone" is to make "amends" for an offense, to make "complete satisfaction" for, to "appease" (expiate).
"Atonement" does not carry the meaning "to send away."

A careful reading of Leviticus shows that the Day of Atonement was actually more about cleansing the Tabernacle
of defilement (Lev 16:14, 15, 16, 18, 19) caused by being in the midst of the people (Nu 19:13, 20; Lev 20:3),
and the purpose for sending the sin-bearing scapegoat into the wilderness was to send sin far away from the Tabernacle (Lev 16:22).

After the sin-bearing scapegoat is sent away, then "atonement" (not sending away) is again made with the sacrifice of two rams, one for the sins of the people, and one for the sins of the priests (Lev 16:24-25).

So a careful reading of Leviticus shows that the sin-bearing scapegoat was not about forgiveness for the people, but about cleansing the Tabernacle.

The NT meaning of forgiveness is taken from "remission" by "atonement," not from "send away."

In the faith,
Clare

That is simply WAY too much error to even worry about trying to correct and I say that mainly because it would not be fair to the OP.

 

[Clare73]

The sins of the people were always "sent away" upon the head of a scapegoat

Are you sure about that?

What about those three sacrifices on the Day of Atonement, one of them a goat, that were not sent away (Lev 16:15, 24-25)?

Actually, sin was "sent away" only once a year,

That is simply WAY too much error to even worry about trying to correct

No error as long as Leviticus and Numbers are true.

And I say that mainly because it would not be fair to the OP.

Any port in a storm. . .

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Noxot]

to me i suppose salvation is freedom from this world, free from mindsets and beliefs. freedom from blindness. from sin. from error. from evil. from lesser versions of good. freedom from myself. to be with Christ, to only know God. to me nothing really matters but being with and having communion with God and being like God and united to Him as much as I can. everything is quite tormenting if I can't be in the bosom of the Father with Christ and the Holy Spirit.

the purpose is God. salvation is to know God and to be with Him in all that He is and free and away from all the lies and insanities and evils that are illusions and not real.

God = salvation
away from God = not salvation
lack is not salvation. fullness is from God and God is one and only good, truth, beauty, love, desire, ect.

therefore evil is lack of God and not salvation. evil is a lie and will be destroyed and then there will only be salvation.

salvation = knowledge = wisdom = Christ = Father = love = faith = humble = beauty

salvation is death and death is life and life is the Logos and being one with Him.

 

[daq]

Any port in a storm. . .

In the faith,
Clare

Urban Dictionary: "Any Port in the Storm"
"Sailor Dialect meaning, essentially: when you're in trouble, any way out is a good way out."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Any%20Port%20in%20the%20Storm

Ahoy matey! Those scallywags who enter into the promised land, only to immediately begin practicing the Viking-Nicolaitan domination tactics of conquest over the people of the land, know nothing of the ways of the Great Husbandman of the Land. Perhaps those Pirates should have paid closer attention from the beginning as it be clear that fig leaves are not an adequate covering for nakedness. In addition caprifig goat-figs are not considered an edible food source in the land because although they are necessary for the pollination process they are indeed full of wasp eggs, (Ahoy, there be male and female figs matey!). For those who walk in Spirit these genos-kind become readily discernable once they begin to bear fruit; for always, after consuming so many evil goat-figs full of wasp eggs, they begin to think of themselves as little viking gods, knowing all things, yet they are in reality as broken cisterns which can hold no water. Inevitably it comes to pass that whenever they open their mouths they begin to breathe out fiery death upon anyone who would oppose their doctrines; like the opening of the mouth of the well of the abyss of the heart, for whatsoever comes out from the mouth proceeds from depths of the heart. And when they speak the air about them becomes darkened with thick black smoke, like the smoke of the great furnace of Egypt, and the sun is blackened by reason of their billowings, nayings, and thunderings. And from the smoke come forth the locusts of their own doctrines to corrupt themselves, to corrupt their own land, to corrupt the heavens of their own imagination with all its machinations, and they proceed to corrupt everyone else around them who is like them and likewise unsealed. And when the Most High is done with such a one then the slayer will be sent; and what then shall the mighty viking do when he finds that the slayer will not accept gold or silver in payment? Will such a one still think himself to be a god in the face of the slayer? Such a one will not be a god but a man; and the bough of the mighty shall be lopped off with terror, and the high ones of stature shall be hewn down, and the haughty shall be humbled. And he shall cut down the thickets of the forest with iron, and Lebanon shall fall by the Mighty One. Who shall live when 'El doeth this? In that day all the holy ones shall know whether or not such a one did indeed overcome in his appointed time. And as Micaiah did say: Behold, thou shalt see in that day, when thou shalt chamber in chamber to hide thyself matey!

 

[Clare73]

The sins of the people were always "sent away" upon the head of a scapegoat

Are you sure about that?

What about those three sacrifices on the Day of Atonement, one of them a goat, that were not sent away (Lev 16:15, 24-25)?

Actually, sin was "sent away" only once a year,

That is simply WAY too much error to even worry about trying to correct

No error as long as Leviticus and Numbers are true.

And I say that mainly because it would not be fair to the OP.

Any port in a storm. . .

Urban Dictionary: "Any Port in the Storm"
"Sailor Dialect meaning, essentially: when you're in trouble, any way out is a good way out."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Any%20Port%20in%20the%20Storm

Ahoy matey!

caprifig goat-figs are not considered an edible food source in the land because although they are necessary for the pollination process they are indeed full of wasp eggs,

Absolutely! Couldn't have said it better myself.

So salvation is forgiveness of sin, which remits the wrath of God on one's sin, and which is its purpose.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[daq]

Absolutely! Couldn't have said it better myself.

So salvation is forgiveness of sin, which remits the wrath of God on one's sin, and which is its purpose.

In the faith,
Clare

It is interesting how you appear to view "salvation" as an object to be obtained and used such as a mechanical "tool". They are primarily concrete "objects" which are spoken of as having a "purpose" (whether in principle or reality) in the way in which you seem to be using the phrase when you say: "which is its purpose" as you speak of "salvation" (this is not the first instance where you have used similar phraseology along the same lines of thinking). It seems as if you have the imagery in your mind that you went through a "supernatural drive-thru" one day in your past and picked up a package of "salvation" for the road on a particular given date in time.

Salvation is a state of being which is in harmony and pleasing to the Creator. No man may obtain it, and certainly no one will choose the day in which he or she receives it from above; for it is that great day of the final atonement which only the Father knows. However, every man now hearing the Gospel and Testimony of Yeshua has the freedom and opportunity to walk toward that great day without fear of the physical penalties which Yeshua took upon himself in our place; walking in Messiah, walking in the Light which is the Word of the Father. Why then should those who refuse to walk toward that great day of the redemption of the purchased possession ever expect themselves to arrive there? And if one perceives "salvation" as the object of a singular event from his or her past then why does the same have need for the patient endurance and faith of the saints? How then shall he continue to walk the walk at all?

 

[Noxot]

the cross of Christ is singular event indeed. an ultimate spiritual reality that only God fully knows. truly there are no words to say. it is a mystery, a true mystery. what is this that Logos would suffer evil affliction? why? how will we ever bare our shame if we do not see Him? to be clothed, for this age to end, for this horrible man that noxot is to cease existing, that is salvation. I want no slander at all to slander God with, the slanderer must be put to death. in the age to come, which is now and is still coming. what will happen? the food we will have there is not the food we have here. the utter shame of who I am, what can i do to be with God?

i don't think we understand the abyss that is before us who do not see. and those who see, they do not understand the abyss before us. this reality, our world, is horrible if we are sinners. but thank God I am waking up to Christ!

Eph 3:8-21 (YLT)
to me--the less than the least of all the saints--was given this grace, among the nations to proclaim good news--the untraceable riches of the Christ, and to cause all to see what is the fellowship of the secret that hath been hid from the ages in God, who the all things did create by Jesus Christ, that there might be made known now to the principalities and the authorities in the heavenly places , through the assembly, the manifold wisdom of God, according to a purpose of the ages, which He made in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have the freedom and the access in confidence through the faith of him, wherefore, I ask you not to faint in my tribulations for you, which is your glory. For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in the heavens and on earth is named, that He may give to you, according to the riches of His glory, with might to be strengthened through His Spirit, in regard to the inner man, that the Christ may dwell through the faith in your hearts, in love having been rooted and founded, that ye may be in strength to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height, to know also the love of the Christ that is exceeding the knowledge, that ye may be filled--to all the fulness of God; and to Him who is able above all things to do exceeding abundantly what we ask or think, according to the power that is working in us, to Him is the glory in the assembly in Christ Jesus, to all the generations of the age of the ages. Amen.


^ that is salvation. paul is not a human being he is a spiritual being, he sounds more like an angel than a human. so this is the image of god-man, the second angel that the Lord made, Christ the visible image, Christ the invisible image. Christ the head, Christ the first born. well, i'm happy God is our Father, thank God the Fathers Son is Jesus Christ and not someone else.

what kind of faith is it, to be as Christ was in this world? that is salvation.

 

[daq]

the cross of Christ is singular event indeed.

Yes the Cross of Yeshua is a singular event and the pivot point of history on a timeline but I spoke not of the Cross of Yeshua because he himself is the Salvation sent from the Father. His name coming from yesha` in fact means salvation. It is us who have need of him and his doctrine given from heaven. I spoke of the salvation of the common man and in that sense it is not a singular event, (ie. at the beginning of our walk as many now teach) because each of us must take up his own cross and follow Messiah if we will be his talmidim-servants-disciples:

Luke 14:25-27 KJV
25. And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
26. If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

A disciple is not one that "has arrived" but one who is in training ...

 

[Clare73]

It is interesting how you appear to view "salvation"

It's also interesting how you, in fact, do not address your errors ([post=62107962]here[/post]) regarding Leviticus and "the sins of the people were always sent away upon the head of a scapegoat."

you view salvation as an object to be obtained and used such as a mechanical "tool". They are primarily concrete "objects" which are spoken of as having a "purpose" (whether in principle or reality) in the way in which you seem to be using the phrase when you say: "which is its purpose" as you speak of "salvation" (this is not the first instance where you have used similar phraseology along the same lines of thinking). It seems as if you have the imagery in your mind that you went through a "supernatural drive-thru" one day in your past and picked up a package of "salvation" for the road on a particular given date in time.

Yep, salvation, the result of rebirth, is a one-time event of permanent forgiveness of all sin, through faith by grace,
which remits God's wrath on one's sin.

Salvation is being saved from God's wrath, that is its purpose.

"his Son. . .Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath." (1Th 1:10)

"how much more shall we be saved from the coming wrath through him.(Ro 5:9)

It's a one-time event, like natural birth and spiritual rebirth, with neither of which do we have anything to do.

They are the result of someone else's decision, and they are irreversible.

"You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures." (Mt 22:29)

Salvation is a state of being which is in harmony and pleasing to the Creator. No man may obtain it,

Your view of salvation is not Biblical.

Your view is a continuing works-based state that one has to maintain over time.

Salvation is not a state, it is a one-time event, a permanent pardon from your sentence to God's wrath on your sin.

Sanctification, which follows salvation, is a continuing state in which the saved are gradually being transformed into the image of Christ.

Salvation and santification are not the same thing.
Salvation is the cause, sanctification is the life-long result.

In the faith,
Clare