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The same way I take care of my crippled wife, the Holy Spirit convicts of sin(falling short) and the burden of the law was nailed to the cross on Jesus Who Is The Christ. He is LORD of The Sabbath and was with God as was God at creation.

The original 10 commandments DID have "axillary" commands. Keeping sabbath holy was not just doing whatever you felt was restful. People DIED for picking up firewood! There was a death penalty for breaking the 4th commandment and God showed very directly what breaking the 4th commandment looks like. Gathering food, baking, boiling, etc. All are acts of breaking the sabbath. There are many more too and I'm sure you break most of those..

In the end, just lets please not any of us claim that we keep the Sabbath holy, because we don't.
 
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What is beyond words is the delight the Sabbath has been for my family in the short time we have been remembering it and through Chists shed Blood keeping it holy-we'll never be the same-for you to call this a "horrible,horrible mess" is very telling, take it up with JESUS He IS LORD of the Sabbath-Shalom
 
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"All of our righteousness is as filthy rage"-None of us can claim to keep Sabbath holy outside of the shed Blood of JESUS Who IS The CHRIST, it's one of the first things God showed us upon trying to obey this with a true and sincere heart.
 
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Where do you get the idea that you get to choose what is and isn't work? God is clear about what you cannot do on the Sabbath, and preparing food is listed right there as a huge no-no.

I kept Sabbath for over 20 years. Even played in the church band. I'd say it never really made me feel special. Abandoning the belief that I am under that law has done a lot more for me. I feel as if I have been set free and I only wish to share that with whoever will listen.
 
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We feel set free by keeping it and can't imagine life without it. Christ's sacrifice on the cross makes it possible to keep this command and gave a clear picture of what it was to look like, what a delight!
 
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We feel set free by keeping it and can't imagine life without it. Christ's sacrifice on the cross makes it possible to keep this command and gave a clear picture of what it was to look like, what a delight!

I suppose sitting around doing whatever you feel like doing is pretty delightful. It has absolutely zero to do with the 4th commandment, though.
 
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We feel set free by keeping it and can't imagine life without it. Christ's sacrifice on the cross makes it possible to keep this command and gave a clear picture of what it was to look like, what a delight!

Aman and Amen...

The power behind keeping the commandments is when the Spirit of God fills us with His love and instills in us a hunger and a thurst for righteousness.
 
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We feel set free by keeping it and can't imagine life without it. Christ's sacrifice on the cross makes it possible to keep this command and gave a clear picture of what it was to look like, what a delight!

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I don't believe you really think you don't have to keep the commandments of God. You only have a false sense of freedom. True freedom is found when we keep the commandments and knowing that even if we do sin we have an Advocate with the Father and that God is faithful and just to forgive us. That's true freedom, freedom from the power of sin through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and freedom from the penalty of sin through Jesus Christ by way of confession. Not freedom to live in sin or think we can live in sin.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

Now as far as cooking on the Sabbath, you have to read the verses in context that are used to support what you say lest Satan deceive you.

God is clear when He says it's okay to do things on the Sabbath that have to do with service to God or caring for needs pertaining to life.

Listen to what God says about cooking in the Sabbath.

Exodus 12:16 On the first day of the celebration, and again on the seventh day, there will be special religious services for the entire congregation, and no work of any kind may be done on those days except the preparation of food.

Deuteronomy 5:5-7 "You may not sacrifice the Passover within any of your gates which the Lord your God gives you; "but at the place where the Lord your God chooses to make His name abide, there you shall sacrifice the Passover at twilight, at the going down of the sun, at the time you came out of Egypt. "And you shall roast and eat it in the place which the Lord your God chooses, and in the morning you shall turn and go to your tents. .

Some people will even go as far as to say we can't even leave our homes on the Sabbath. This too is a delusion to discredit the joy of the Sabbath. Let's go to the verse people use to support this belief.

Exodus 16:29 "See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.''

The context of the verse is not telling us that going out of our houses on the Sabbath is a sin. What the context is showing us is Moses' frustration with God's people going out to gather manna on the Sabbath after God told them not to. It was not meant to be used as a doctrine to teach that going out of our houses on the Sabbath was a sin.

Now let's read it in context.

Exodus 16:25-30 Then Moses said, "Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. "Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, there will be none.'' Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? "See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.'' So the people rested on the seventh day.

Look here to understand the Sabbath according to Jesus... http://exposingantichrist.com/Sabbath-Day.html
 
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I suppose sitting around doing whatever you feel like doing is pretty delightful. It has absolutely zero to do with the 4th commandment, though.

I agree. Consider the following:
"If because of the sabbath, you turn your foot from doing your own pleasure on My holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy day of the LORD honorable, and honor it, desisting from your own ways, from seeking your own pleasure and speaking your own word, then you will take delight in the LORD, and I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; and I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, for the mouth of the LORD has spoken."
It really does seem as though the form of sabbath keeping that is described in this forum is foreign to the form of sabbath keeping that was commanded by God.

BFA
 
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Hey Joe, Blessings to you and yours, thanks for that reminder!
 
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I hope I did not convey the idea that the Sabbath is unimportant. God wrote it in stone - a medium meant to be permanent and not subject to change. That stone was then incorporated into His throne in the Sanctuary. Embedded in the Sabbath is the seal of authority for the whole law and even His throne. Among the last words of Jesus recorded in the Bible are these: "14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." So it is crucial. BUT there is an even more vital aspect.

Let's look at a couple details from Romans 14. The chapter opens, "1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations." Then he proceeds to give a couple of examples like what one eats and how one regards some day special. Does eating have in important place in maintaining mind and body? Are we not indeed discussing how we are to regard a special day? Are these not important topics of considerable value in the right context? Assuredly, Yes. Now let's look at the last verse in the chapter, "23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Ouch! The Pharisees were great for a multitude of rules about Sabbath observance yet Jesus brushed that all aside. There is no, no code by which to assure proper Sabbath observance. In my post I noted some minimal points. Other posts have brought more details forward from which we can glean, hopefully, not more rules but some principles.

I was perusing the Law one day and caught a detail in the 10th commandment: "Thou shalt not covet..." Coveting is a state of mind - not a behavioral code. In fact, coveting preceeds breaking any of those commandments called out before this one. That is what lead me to take a second look at the 4th and realize that it too is fulfilled as a frame of mind that reveals itself in complimentary behavior. Some broad and limited behavioral specifications are provided as starting points. "God is love." A key ingredient of love is faith. "Remember..." is also a function of thought.

In facing all this we realize our brokeness and deficiency. That is what the Law is for. This we bring to God in prayer and confession. We express our desire to become as He desires. He then has permission to work in us according to His will (1 John 1:9) and resolve that "something missing."

One of the most touching prayers in the Bible is this one: "Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief" Mark 9:24. Jesus promptly complied.
 
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I hope I did not convey the idea that the Sabbath is unimportant.

No, not at all. However, I do sense that you are unconcerned with the manner in which a person keeps it. Since I am similarly unconcerned, I can't take issue with that. However, I do notice that there are a number of sabbatarians who are very concerned that, if the sabbath isn't properly kept, they will be punished. This is the part that I don't follow.

Coveting is a state of mind - not a behavioral code.

I view it similarly. In fact, I propose that all old covenant laws (including the ones that SDAism views as "ceremonial") contain valuable principles that reveal something about who God is and what He favors. The mind of God existed before the law was added and it has existed since the Seed came. There are things that matter to God that endure. Concepts of love, charity, peace and rest transcend law; the Spirit convicts regarding such principles.

The principle of rest has value. For some, this concept takes the form of a regimented, weekly cycle. So long as they are not doing it to save themselves, I take no issue with their tradition. Although I am not convicted to follow this tradition, I continue to affirm the ongoing importance of rest.

Similarly, the principle of sacrifice has value. For the children of Israel, this concept took the form of an animal on an alter. Although I am not convicted to build an alter, I praise God for His sacrifice and I recognize that God has asked me to lay aside certain things on occasion.

At this point, I am now discussing principles. I am not discussing law.

BFA
 
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You are wasting your time here, there is only dead wood.
 
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