What is "sabbath"?

Byfaithalone1 · Feb 17, 2010

Just say you don't want to obey the fourth commandment.

This is hardly true. Once upon a time, I was very motivated to defend the sabbath and to remain a member of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination. My findings were in spite of my motivation, not because of it.

According to Jesus, the Sabbath was made for man. We are the Israel of God.

Though I've heard this claim before, I've not been able to confirm it. If we are the Israel of God, we should be doing all that Israel did.

You need to read Romans 6...

Done. What next?

BFA

Byfaithalone1 · Feb 17, 2010

k4c said:
I know I'm probably wasting my time but I reply once again.

What type of reply could I offer that would allow you to feel as though your time was fruitful?

Do you find it disturbing that we disagree? If so, why?

BFA

Byfaithalone1 · Feb 17, 2010

Restin said:
In the Bible I read....the 7th day of creation IS NOT a literal day, at least NOT LIKE the other six being literal days. The 7th day of creation is NOT identified with 'evening and morning' like the other six days.

For God creation is not a continuous cycle of working six days and resting one day...as was given to Moses at Sinai! When God 'rest' on the 7th day...He is forever 'finished' with His work of 'creating'!

I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification, Restin.

I am, however, rather ashamed of your pitiful attempt to avoid sabbath keeping.

With tongue firmly planted in cheek,
BFA

Restin · Feb 17, 2010

k4c said:
That's a very weak attempt to avoid keeping the seventh day holy. All throughout the Bible and even to this very day the seventh day is identified and underfstood to be a literal day.

When God speaks of the seventh day He calls it a day. A day has been defined by God as from evening to morning in the chapters preceeding Genesis 2.

But...we are to NOT be IGNORANT of....

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day. KJV

For those who count time, one day with the Lord as seen in 'evening and morning', would be as 1,000 years with the Lord.

Apart from time...a day without 'evening and morning', is beyond our ability to comprehend time as having an end. So is God's 7th day rest, for those that 'enter in'.

Edit to add: BFA...Appreciate your comments!

k4c · Feb 17, 2010

Restin said:
But...we are to NOT be IGNORANT of....

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day. KJV

For those who count time, one day with the Lord as seen in 'evening and morning', would be as 1,000 years with the Lord.

Apart from time...a day without 'evening and morning', is beyond our ability to comprehend time as having an end. So is God's 7th day rest, for those that 'enter in'.

Edit to add: BFA...Appreciate your comments!

So you are willing to through out most of the Bible and thousands of years of Jewish history and God's punishment for breaking the fourth commandment in order to accept your theroy.

I your opinion what you are saying is that God created everything in six twenty-four days but the last day is a thousand years long?

The verse you are trying to use to support your theroy is not saying what you are trying to make it say. All Peter is saying is that time does not matter to an eternal God.

Now there is a Biblical concept of a day equaling a thousand years as it applies to Bible prophecy, not the creation week. We know this is true because for thousands of years God has been holding man accountable for keeping a twenty-four hour day holy.

k4c · Feb 17, 2010

Byfaithalone1 said:
This is hardly true. Once upon a time, I was very motivated to defend the sabbath and to remain a member of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination. My findings were in spite of my motivation, not because of it.

Though I've heard this claim before, I've not been able to confirm it. If we are the Israel of God, we should be doing all that Israel did.

Done. What next?

BFA

Spiritual blindness is just a real as physical blindness.

Byfaithalone1 · Feb 17, 2010

k4c said:
Spiritual blindness is just a real as physical blindness.

There is none who understands. This certainly includes me. I continue to find evidence of this fact.

. . . God's punishment for breaking the fourth commandment . . .

In your opinion, what is the punishment for a person who breaks the fourth commandment? If there is a punishment, shouldn't we better understand how to keep it so we don't get punished?

BFA

Restin · Feb 17, 2010

k4c said:
So you are willing to through out most of the Bible and thousands of years of Jewish history and God's punishment for breaking the fourth commandment in order to accept your theroy.

I your opinion what you are saying is that God created everything in six twenty-four days but the last day is a thousand years long?

The verse you are trying to use to support your theroy is not saying what you are trying to make it say. All Peter is saying is that time does not matter to an eternal God.

Now there is a Biblical concept of a day equaling a thousand years as it applies to Bible prophecy, not the creation week. We know this is true because for thousands of years God has been holding man accountable for keeping a twenty-four hour day holy.

God gives you to witness to what HE reveals to YOU!
God gives me to witness to what HE reveals to ME!

For me to judge how God gives you to interpret scripture or even for me to judge your motives would be a sin...may God forgive you and me, wherein that is the case!

In Christ...Restin

k4c · Feb 18, 2010

Byfaithalone1 said:
In your opinion, what is the punishment for a person who breaks the fourth commandment? If there is a punishment, shouldn't we better understand how to keep it so we don't get punished?

BFA

It's questions like this that tell me you are not really looking for answers.

k4c · Feb 18, 2010

Restin said:
God gives you to witness to what HE reveals to YOU!
God gives me to witness to what HE reveals to ME!

For me to judge how God gives you to interpret scripture or even for me to judge your motives would be a sin...may God forgive you and me, wherein that is the case!

In Christ...Restin

So are you saying God didn't give a consequence for prophaning the seventh day, which was a literal day?

Nehemiah 13:19 speaks of a literal day.

Nehemiah 13:19 So from then on I commanded that the gates of the city be shut as darkness fell on Friday evenings and not be opened until the Sabbath had ended; and I sent some of my servants to guard the gates so that no merchandise could be brought in on the Sabbath day.

Jesus speaks of a literal day.

Matthew 12:11 This was Jesus' answer: "If you had just one sheep, and it fell into a well on the Sabbath, would you work to rescue it that day? Of course you would.

Jesus kept a literal day.

Luke 4:16 Jesus came to Nazareth, the town where he grew up. On the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue. That is what Jesus always did. He stood up to read.

Paul kept a literal day.

Acts 17:2 Following Paul's usual custom, he joined them, and for three Sabbaths he entered into discussions with them from the scriptures

In Matthew 24:20 Jesus reveals a prophecy which was to take place 40 years after His resurrection and still He is confirming a literal Sabbath Day.

Matthew 24:20 "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

The whole Bible and creation itself speaks of a literal day.

Is your interpretation really coming from God?

Avonia · Feb 18, 2010

k4c said:
It's questions like this that tell me you are not really looking for answers.

I very much appreciate BFA further developing this quality. And you are right - he is not looking for answers as often as looking for better questions.

K4C, there was a post just written in the Galatians thread by AzA. I hope you have a chance to take a look.

k4c · Feb 18, 2010

Avonia said:
I very much appreciate BFA further developing this quality. And you are right - he is not looking for answers as often as looking for better questions.

K4C, there was a post just written in the Galatians thread by AzA. I hope you have a chance to take a look.

Better questions don't reveal motives.

As far as Aza's post regarding Galatians. I went over there and took a look at it. Everything regarding Sinai and the Law on stone has to do with keeping the Law to be righteous. This brings bondage because by nature we are sinners. We die to works of the Law as a means to be acceptable to God because we are now acceptable to God in Christ.

Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

We do not die to the principles of Law as a means to express godly love and living godly lives but we are dead to the Law as it relates to the old covenant, which says if you don't keep the Law you will be put to death. There is not one person in Christ on this entire forum, including Aza, who believes we can now lie, steal, murder, worship other Gods, use God's name in vain and so on. So how do we understand the Law as it relates to the new covenant?

The new covenant is not that God does away with the Law, allowing us to freely live a life of sin, but rather, He forgives us for breaking His Law and then He writes the Law on our hearts and fills us with His Spirit, which will empower us to keep the Law.

Ezekiel 36:26-29 "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. "Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. "I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you.

John 1:12 But to those who did accept Him He gave power to become children of God, to those who believed in His name.

So Galatians is true in that I am not in bodage to Sinai trying to be righteous by keeping the Law but I am a slave to godly love of which the Law defines.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

The Law tells me that murder, stealing and lying is wrong but so does love.

Byfaithalone1 · Feb 18, 2010

k4c said:
Everything regarding Sinai and the Law on stone has to do with keeping the Law to be righteous.

I suppose that's one way to look at it, and I respect that this is your interpretation of the passage. When I read Galatians 4, I note the absence of the phrase "to be righteous."

BFA

k4c · Feb 18, 2010

Byfaithalone1 said:
I suppose that's one way to look at it, and I respect that this is your interpretation of the passage. When I read Galatians 4, I note the absence of the phrase "to be righteous."

BFA

Keeping reading, you'll see the principle.

Restin · Feb 18, 2010

k4c said:
The whole Bible and creation itself speaks of a literal day.

Is your interpretation really coming from God?

All the verses you give don't say the 7th day given in creation has 'evening and morning'...God is telling us something, and we are NOT listening! That includes myself...for many years, I did not hear what the entire Genesis creation story was/is saying from start to finish.

K4C...are you interested to discuss the creation story as given in Genesis...?
On another thread, that is...?

In Christ...Restin

k4c · Feb 18, 2010

Restin said:
K4C...are you interested to discuss the creation story as given in Genesis...?
On another thread, that is...?

In Christ...Restin

I rode that spiritul train once before but it didn't stop at the truth depot.

Restin · Feb 18, 2010

k4c said:
Originally Posted by Restin

K4C...are you interested to discuss the creation story as given in Genesis...? On another thread, that is...?

Click to expand...

I rode that spiritul train once before but it didn't stop at the truth depot.

Creation in short! Gen 1:26 & 27 'Let us make man in our image', is prophetically talking about Jesus Christ. Adam, in Eden is only 'figure' - 'type', of that reality...! Likewise, the 7th day of creation is only 'figure' - 'type' of the reality. The reality of the 7th day rest given in Gen 2:1-3, is when all our labors of this earthly life are completed, 'finished' for eternity!

...R

k4c · Feb 18, 2010

Restin said:
Creation in short! Gen 1:26 & 27 'Let us make man in our image', is prophetically talking about Jesus Christ. Adam, in Eden is only 'figure' - 'type', of that reality...! Likewise, the 7th day of creation is only 'figure' - 'type' of the reality. The reality of the 7th day rest given in Gen 2:1-3, is when all our labors of this earthly life are completed, 'finished' for eternity!

...R

I rode that spiritual train for several years and came to understand that both the spiritual and natural are running their course side by side. The plan in this life is to have the natural comform to the spiritual.

Matthew 23:26 "Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Everything whether good or evil begins in the mind (spiritual) first.

Under the old covenant the Law on stone influenced the outward man through fear of punishment but under the new covenant the Law influences the inward man through love, which in turn influences the outward.

Restin · Feb 18, 2010

k4c said:
I rode that spiritual train for several years and came to understand that both the spiritual and natural are running their course side by side. The plan in this life is to have the natural comform to the spiritual.

Matthew 23:26 "Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Everything whether good or evil begins in the mind (spiritual) first.

You say the spiritual and natural are 'side by side'...
The spiritual is 'first'....

1 Corinthians 15:45-46

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;
and afterward that which is spiritual. KJV

...R

solja247 · Feb 18, 2010

We have foung the Sabbath to be a delight. Being raised a Baptist/ fundementalist, we watched as Sabbath observers were mocked. In this enviroment the thought of obeying the fourth command never entered my mind. We pass oit Gospel tracts on a regular basis and through that The LORD showed us that Sabbath is a real thing...and we love it.

The thing that sometimes gets over looked is the Yahweh God established Shabbat at creation. It was sanctified from the beginning-Praise God!!!

We believe like the last poster who said it should be a work free, care free day that is why we have our memorial service on Friday evening.

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