What is required for salvation?

[skylark1]

According to the Bible ....

What is required for for salvation?
What must we do?
What exactly must we believe?
Can someone hold unorthodox beliefs and still be saved?

 

[skylark1]

Salvation: Deliverance from the power or penalty of sin; redemption.
American Heritage Dictionary


When we are delivered from the penalty of sin, we are given the gift of eternal life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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I hope that all agree that it was the penalty of sin that seperated us from the Father, and that the gift of eternal life includes being in the presence of God the Father.

 

[TOmNossor]

Skylark,



I am not sure you are trying to get this answer from LDS.

But eternal life is received when one does not deny the sure witness of the Holy Ghost and openly, knowledgably, and intentionally rebel against God.

All will be given a chance to know and accept the fullness of the Gospel that is a “fair and just opportunity.” We do not know what the “fair and just opportunity” consists of.

LDS are not Calvinist. We do not believe in Limited atonement. Christ paid the price for every sin of everyone. The fullness of the Gospel is more than just knowing this truth, but if one does not rebel and reject Christ’s sacrifice (after having a SURE witness of its truth through the Holy Ghost), one will be given the opportunity to know the reality of it and receive eternal life.



Charity, TOm

 

[skylark1]

My hope for this thread was that all would address this question, from a Biblical perspective.

I think that the question of all having a fair and just opportunity to accept the gospel might be a good topic for another thread. Instead of addresing who will be saved, I would like to discuss what is neccessary for salvation.

What is required for for salvation?
What must we do?
What exactly must we believe?
Can someone hold unorthodox beliefs and still be saved?

 

[gort]

What is required for for salvation?

recieving Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

What must we do?

have faith in the atoning work of Christ Jesus on the Cross

What exactly must we believe?

That Jesus paid your debt of sin, died, and was risen 3 days later

Can someone hold unorthodox beliefs and still be saved?

Joh 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jesus came not to condemn, neither will I.

Revelations chapter 22 clearly shows where we will be, with the Father and the Son. One of my fav verses.

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[Theway]

What is required for for salvation?

Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
Im sure all can agree with this one.

What must we do?

Repent and be baptized
Another no brainer if left by itself however "what we must do" is always connected to the third question.

What exactly must we believe?

Here's where the question cannot be answered by simply quoting Bible verses (though a good start). Because every Church, Group, Denomination and even Individual will interperate it a different way, or give it a different relevance or importance. As I always say the problem with a belief is doctrine will always get in the way. However without doctrine we are left to create God in our image.

Can someone hold unorthodox beliefs and still be saved?/QUOTE]

Once again it would depend on who you ask and in what point in history, as to what constitutes a unorthodox belief.
The way I see it one has to have the desire to be born again and follow
Jesus and then one needs to get down in humility and pray for the answer as to where to go from there.
If however you need bible verses and a belief system you will need to pick a denomination, Group, or person.

 

[skylark1]

What is required for salvation?

Faith in Jesus.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


What must we do?

Trust in Jesus.

Romans 10:9-11
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."


What exactly must we believe?

Repent and believe the gospel.

Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Romans 4:25
He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

Romans 5:1-2
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Here's where the question cannot be answered by simply quoting Bible verses (though a good start). Because every Church, Group, Denomination and even Individual will interperate it a different way, or give it a different relevance or importance. As I always say the problem with a belief is doctrine will always get in the way. However without doctrine we are left to create God in our image.

Hi Theway,

Substantiating our beliefs from the Bible is NOT creating God in our image. Even Jesus quoted scripture.



Can someone hold unorthodox beliefs and still be saved?

If however you need bible verses and a belief system you will need to pick a denomination, Group, or person.

I picked the person ... his name is Jesus.

Joh 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jesus came not to condemn, neither will I.

Good verse.

 

[Theway]

Skylark1,

I don't disagree, nobody can argue with the scripture if you interperate it in a general sense or one can not argue with nice platitudes, however like I said eventually doctrine becomes the issue.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Because every Church, Group, Denomination and even Individual will interperate it a different way, or give it a different relevance or importance. As I always say the problem with a belief is doctrine will always get in the way. However without doctrine we are left to create God in our image.

Yes, there are many different churches out there that believe differently on minor issues but to say that they each believe differently on what it takes to be saved is inaccurate. I think a more accurate statement would be "there are several churches that believe differently". What does the Bible say is required to recieve salvation (aka, life in heaven with God forever)...faith in the Lord Jesus. This means not just believing in him that he existed but putting your full trust in him and him only for your salvation and believing he was who he claimed to be. This all goes back to the fact that a "fake" Jesus can't save anyone...only the one true jesus of the Bible can do that and if your belief is in a "fake" Jesus, you might as well kiss salvation goodbye...personally, I would rather see everyone embrace the real Jesus so they can go to heaven but we know this will not happen because we have been told as much in the Word of God.

One thing all Christians agree on whole-heartedly when it comes to salvation is that there is only one God, yesterday, today and forever. There was no God before him and there will be no other God after him, he is the one true God and only Jesus (God incarnate) can save man from hell.

God Bless-
Grace

 

[fatboys]

The first and most important thing we do to gain salvation is to be born. Without that there is no way to gain salvation.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

The first and most important thing we do to gain salvation is to be born. Without that there is no way to gain salvation.

Do you mean "born again" or born on the earth of flesh?

God Bless-
Grace

 

[Theway]

Yes, there are many different churches out there that believe differently on minor issues but to say that they each believe differently on what it takes to be saved is inaccurate. I think a more accurate statement would be "there are several churches that believe differently".

Not true.. I noticed baptizm was not listed and it is considered a major issue. All one would have to do is take a little test on what you believe about baptizm to see the differences
1 Is baptizm important YES, NO, NOT IMPORTANT
2 Does it matter which Christain church does it

3 What authority is needed if any of the person performing the ordinance
ie.. schooling, election by peers, or just a desire etc..
4 What age or is it important

5 Does one have to recieve any instruction first

6 method of batizm EMERSION, SPRINKLE, NOT IMPORTANT

7 Baptized in what name, (FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST), (JESUS),
ETC... ETC.. ETC..
Just answering the first question no matter what the answer you will end up alienating or condemning from 25% to 75% of the other Christians on this board. By time you add up this test and all the other minor issues you may end up being the only one who believes in your definition of salvation. Which is what I meant by creating a God in your image.
Without a firm absolute doctrinal belief you could fall into this error.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Not true.. I noticed baptizm was not listed and it is considered a major issue. All one would have to do is take a little test on what you believe about baptizm to see the differences
1 Is baptizm important YES, NO, NOT IMPORTANT
2 Does it matter which Christain church does it

3 What authority is needed if any of the person performing the ordinance
ie.. schooling, election by peers, or just a desire etc..
4 What age or is it important

5 Does one have to recieve any instruction first

6 method of batizm EMERSION, SPRINKLE, NOT IMPORTANT

7 Baptized in what name, (FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST), (JESUS),
ETC... ETC.. ETC..
Just answering the first question no matter what the answer you will end up alienating or condemning from 25% to 75% of the other Christians on this board. By time you add up this test and all the other minor issues you may end up being the only one who believes in your definition of salvation. Which is what I meant by creating a God in your image.
Without a firm absolute doctrinal belief you could fall into this error.

It is still incorrect to state that all churches believe differently. That is such a sweeping generalization and so totally off base that anyone who has been to several different christian churches, knows it just isn't true.

Grace

 

[skylark1]

What does the Bible say is required to recieve salvation (aka, life in heaven with God forever)...faith in the Lord Jesus. This means not just believing in him that he existed but putting your full trust in him and him only for your salvation and believing he was who he claimed to be. This all goes back to the fact that a "fake" Jesus can't save anyone...only the one true jesus of the Bible can do that and if your belief is in a "fake" Jesus, you might as well kiss salvation goodbye...

I agree that one must put their full trust in Jesus, and in him only for salvation.

I also agree that we are to believe that Jesus was who he claimed to be.

Matthew 16:15-17
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


If someone believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, is this considered having faith in the Lord Jesus?

 

[gort]

If someone believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, is this considered having faith in the Lord Jesus?

Hello,

Just believing I don't think is faith. I used to believe these things, but did not live them. Scripture says that even the demons believe and tremble.

Faith brings trust, hope, love, mercy, an understanding of the reality of what just what Jesus did do for us. Out of His Love for us. Faith is believing in the Word of God. Faith is a deep word. Faith inclines the eyes of our hearts to Jesus. Faith brings a change of life to us, to be reborn, and to know that we are a new creature. Faith can heal. Faith can move mountains.

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[skylark1]

Hello,

Just believing I don't think is faith. I used to believe these things, but did not live them. Scripture says that even the demons believe and tremble.

Faith brings trust, hope, love, mercy, an understanding of the reality of what just what Jesus did do for us. Out of His Love for us. Faith is believing in the Word of God. Faith is a deep word. Faith inclines the eyes of our hearts to Jesus. Faith brings a change of life to us, to be reborn, and to know that we are a new creature. Faith can heal. Faith can move mountains.

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Hi Daneel,

I agree with what you wrote.

I want to clarify that I was not saying that "just believing" is faith. I agree that a saving faith is life changing. This is what I meant putting your full trust in Jesus, and him alone for salvation. What I was asking was in reference this comment that I quoted: "This means not just believing in him that he existed but putting your full trust in him and him only for your salvation and believing he was who he claimed to be."

If someone believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living god, are they believing that Jesus was who he claimed to be?

 

[fatboys]

Do you mean "born again" or born on the earth of flesh?

God Bless-
Grace

Nope to be born. Now think about it. If none of us ever existed, there would be no salvation, no need for an atonement, no bible, no saved by Grace through faith.

 

[gort]

I want to clarify that I was not saying that "just believing" is faith. I agree that a saving faith is life changing. This is what I meant putting your full trust in Jesus, and him alone for salvation.

amen.

If someone believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living god, are they believing that Jeus was who he claimed to be?

amen.

Matthew 16:15-17
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

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[happyinhisgrace]

Nope to be born. Now think about it. If none of us ever existed, there would be no salvation, no need for an atonement, no bible, no saved by Grace through faith.[/QUOT

Actually, man could have been created and born without the sacrafice of Jesus (the atonement) being nessisary if it were not for sin. Man chose to sin (starting with Adam and Eve) and that is where the atonement came into play. It was not nessisary because God created man, it was nessisary because after man had been created, man chose to sin and God can not look upon sin with any tolorance so grace had to come into play to pay the price for that sin. Us being born or not had nothing to do with it, it was sin from the very first people on the earth (Adam and Eve) that made it nessisary for there to be a way for us to abide in God's presence. Also important to note that God didn't "have" to pay the price for our sin with Jesus sacrafice, he doesn't HAVE to do anything...he is God and is bound by no laws like we are...he chose to make a sacrafice for us because he loved mankind that much that he was willing to lower himself, take on the form of man and come to the earth to pay that price for us.

On another note, man did not pre-exist, only God pre-existed. We as humans were not some kind of "spirit children" in a pre-mortal world waiting for bodies to come to earth in. That is a completly unbiblical belief. Therefore, no one HAD to be born. God told Adam and Eve to multiply the earth BEFORE they even ate the forbidden fruit which obviously shows that they were able to have children before they sinned. That is unless one was to believe that God is a liar and would tell his creation to do something they were not even able to do without sinning first. Since we know that God does not like (actually hates) sin, he obviously would not command them to make babies and then turn around and say, "oh, your sin was nessisary for you to keep my commands"...that is not only contradictory but completely against what the Bible tells us of the nature of God.
God Bless-
Grace

 

[Doc T]

Actually, man could have been created and born without the sacrafice of Jesus (the atonement) being nessisary if it were not for sin. Man chose to sin (starting with Adam and Eve) and that is where the atonement came into play. It was not nessisary because God created man, it was nessisary because after man had been created, man chose to sin and God can not look upon sin with any tolorance so grace had to come into play to pay the price for that sin. Us being born or not had nothing to do with it, it was sin from the very first people on the earth (Adam and Eve) that made it nessisary for there to be a way for us to abide in God's presence. Also important to note that God didn't "have" to pay the price for our sin with Jesus sacrafice, he doesn't HAVE to do anything...he is God and is bound by no laws like we are...he chose to make a sacrafice for us because he loved mankind that much that he was willing to lower himself, take on the form of man and come to the earth to pay that price for us.

On another note, man did not pre-exist, only God pre-existed. We as humans were not some kind of "spirit children" in a pre-mortal world waiting for bodies to come to earth in. That is a completly unbiblical belief. Therefore, no one HAD to be born. God told Adam and Eve to multiply the earth BEFORE they even ate the forbidden fruit which obviously shows that they were able to have children before they sinned. That is unless one was to believe that God is a liar and would tell his creation to do something they were not even able to do without sinning first. Since we know that God does not like (actually hates) sin, he obviously would not command them to make babies and then turn around and say, "oh, your sin was nessisary for you to keep my commands"...that is not only contradictory but completely against what the Bible tells us of the nature of God.
God Bless-
Grace

Doc: Happyinhisgrace, was Adam and Eve partaking of the forbidden fruit part of God's plan?


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