What is required before getting baptized in a pool of water?

[chevyontheriver]

Yes, Thus saith Scripture.
fast forward to usa today:

Ungodly men say "forbid, forbid" , so yes, there are men that can (and do in fact today) forbid immersing anyone (baptizing) in water , with no regard and no fear of God .

Who are those men?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Who are those men?

So no answer to who these ungodly men are who forbid baptism by immersion. I’m thinking just maybe it’s because they don’t actually exist.

 

[The Liturgist]

So no answer to who these ungodly men are who forbid baptism by immersion. I’m thinking just maybe it’s because they don’t actually exist.

Well, there are some denominations mostly dating from the 19th century which do not practice water baptism and in some cases actively prohibit it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Well, there are some denominations mostly dating from the 19th century which do not practice water baptism and in some cases actively prohibit it.

Oddly so. But the specific reference here was to those who prohibited baptism by immersion.

 

[St_Worm2]

Well, there are some denominations mostly dating from the 19th century which do not practice water baptism and in some cases actively prohibit it.

Hello Liturgist, I've never heard of a single church (much less a denomination) which does not practice water baptism, and certainly none that prohibit it. I'd be interested to know the names of both the churches and the denominations that are guilty of this, especially the denominations.

Thanks!

God bless you!!

--David

 

[David Lamb]

Hello Liturgist, I've never heard of a single church (much less a denomination) which does not practice water baptism, and certainly none that prohibit it. I'd be interested to know the names of both the churches and the denominations that are guilty of this, especially the denominations.

Thanks!

God bless you!!

--David

I don't think the Salvation Army practise baptism.

 

[St_Worm2]

Interesting. I'll go take a look.

Thanks David (@David Lamb)

God bless you!!

--David

 

[The Liturgist]

Hello Liturgist, I've never heard of a single church (much less a denomination) which does not practice water baptism, and certainly none that prohibit it. I'd be interested to know the names of both the churches and the denominations that are guilty of this, especially the denominations.

Thanks!

God bless you!!

--David

Quakers, the Salvation Army, and several other Restorationist churches from the 19th century, as well as various New Thought churches some of which are heretical (not in compliance with the Christian Forums Statement of Faith), for example, “Christian Science” whose name is doubly inaccurate.

 

[The Liturgist]

I don't think the Salvation Army practise baptism.

That was due to the (from a sacramental Christian perspective, very negative) influence of the founder’s Quaker wife.

 

[The Liturgist]

Also in antiquity if I recall the Messalians did not practice Baptism or the Eucharist. But it has been a while since I read St. Epiphanios of Cyprus, who dealt with them to the fullest extent.

 

[RDKirk]

I don't think the Salvation Army practise baptism.

The Salvation Army does not practice baptism because of the divisions in the Body of Christ over methodology, but they will permit members to be baptized (any method they want) at a different church without penalty.

 

[The Liturgist]

The Salvation Army does not practice baptism because of the divisions in the Body of Christ over methodology, but they will permit members to be baptized (any method they want) at a different church without penalty.

I’ve heard lately some of their clergy officers are performing baptisms, and celebrating holy communion, in contrast to the Quaker-influenced position, and I hope that is the case.

 

[Paul4JC]

In context, water didn't save the ark, just as baptism can't save you.

[1Pe 3:20b NIV; 21 NET] In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 And this prefigured baptism, which now saves you - not the washing off of physical dirt but the pledge of a good conscience to God - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,


Only in antitype, baptism saves you, just as the water saved the ark



499 [e]
antitypon
ἀντίτυπον
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Adj-NNS

antitupos: Antitype, counterpart, corresponding figure
Original Word: ἀντίτυπος
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: antitupos
Pronunciation: an-TEE-too-pos
Definition: Antitype, counterpart, corresponding figure
Meaning: typical of, representing by type (or pattern), corresponding to, an image.

 

[RileyG]

I don't think the Salvation Army practise baptism.

They don’t practice any sacraments IIRC

 

[RileyG]

Quakers, the Salvation Army, and several other Restorationist churches from the 19th century, as well as various New Thought churches some of which are heretical (not in compliance with the Christian Forums Statement of Faith), for example, “Christian Science” whose name is doubly inaccurate.

Apparently, the Christian Science groups have hymns with a bunch of reading. There’s one in my city, and I think it’s mostly elderly folks that go there from the pictures on their website.

 

[RileyG]

That was due to the (from a sacramental Christian perspective, very negative) influence of the founder’s Quaker wife.

I thought the Salvation Army came from a Methodist/Wesleyan background?

 

[RDKirk]

I thought the Salvation Army came from a Methodist/Wesleyan background?

In general beliefs, yes. Just not the sacraments, which they consider too divisive. But they don't deny the sacraments. It's odd.

 

[RileyG]

In general beliefs, yes. Just not the sacraments, which they consider too divisive. But they don't deny the sacraments. It's odd.

Yeah, that sounds about right. I wonder if most just attend a Methodist or similar Church? Interesting.

 

[The Liturgist]

I thought the Salvation Army came from a Methodist/Wesleyan background?

The founder was a Methodist, but his wife had been a Quaker and influenced her husband accordingly.

 

[RileyG]

The founder was a Methodist, but his wife had been a Quaker and influenced her husband accordingly.

Thank you for the info!

Blessings