What is Real?

[amadeus2]

If we are followers of Christ and accept the Bible as a written version of God's Word, we are still living by faith, not by facts.

No one can prove to someone else that the Bible is true, but neither can anyone prove that it is false or that anything else is true or false.

All of man's life, if there is such a thing, is based upon faith. We have faith that the sun will rise and that it will warm our bodies. We have faith that when we open our eyes we will see something. We have faith that when we put something to our tongue we will taste something. We have faith that there will be a tomorrow and we make plans accordingly.

My faith toward God was just faith to start, but in some things He has made my faith into something more substantial. But...there is no way that I can transfer that which God has given me to know to someone else. It is mine. If I share it and someone receives it as Truth, then that someone has also been in touch with God.

For the non-believer this is all nonsense, but for me the world of the unbeliever is the nonsense.

The only way any person can know anything for certain is that there is a God of Truth and that that same God of Truth has revealed something to the person.

To me, the real world is that which God has for Himself and for His people for eternity. That which we have or which we sense that we have here is the temporal, the transitory. As we are drawn closer to Him as our faith increases to where it is in part more than faith. Then the real world (heavens or in particular, third heaven) comes in focus and the old temporary, transitory world of the unbeliever begins to fade and eventually will not be at all.

 

[sk8Joyful]

What is Real?

an excellent question, Amadeus. And I applaud your searching...

If we are followers of Christ and accept the Bible
as a written version of God's Word, we are still living by faith, not by facts.

yes, it all comes down to BELIEF.

No one can prove to someone else that the Bible is true,
but neither can anyone prove that it is false, or that anything else is true or false.

Yes, "Individual ... experience" comes into play here

We can not KNOW - God's Territory.......For all we have is 'our map', of the Territory.
(And most don't have even that).

All of man's life, if there is such a thing, is based upon faith.
We have faith that the sun will rise and that it will warm our bodies.
We have faith that when we open our eyes we will see something.
We have faith that when we put something to our tongue we will taste something.
We have faith that there will be a tomorrow and we make plans accordingly.

My faith toward God was just faith to start,
but in some things He has made my faith into something more substantial.

And what *substantial*-FAITH are you referring to, Amadeus?

But...there is no way that I can transfer that which God has given me to know to someone else. It is mine.

If I share it and someone receives it as Truth, then that someone has also been in touch with God.

Halleluiah! - then, BOTH can rejoyce in PRAISING GOD

For the non-believer this is all nonsense,
but for me the world of the unbeliever is the nonsense.

Yes, you can side-step much "non-sense" in the world.

And LIVE... as Jesus Christ *lovingly invites* us each.

The only way any person can know anything for certain -
is thru a God of Truth, and that God of Truth has revealed something to the person.

God has, additionally created us with more abilities.

To me, the real world is that which God has for Himself and for His people for eternity.

define "eternity"

That which we have or
which we sense that we have here is the temporal, the transitory.

As we are drawn closer to Him as our faith increases to where it is in part more than faith. Then the real world (heavens or in particular, third heaven) comes in focus and the old temporary, transitory world of the unbeliever begins to fade and eventually will not be at all.

so many Conclusions are being drawn here -
yet Amadeus - you started by ASKing a Question, "what is REAL" and your Context was?

 

[davedajobauk]

Appraisal:

I dont wish to doubt
I have faith, which is my BELIEF
that there is, A GOD
that there is SOMETHING which is God's hereafter
that what is NOW, will be gone from me WHEN I go away from it [forever]
In my beliefs, I have been and am sheltered
been given, a Flak Jacket
been given, a loving ability, that is compassionate
this, compassion ASSISTS my 'kind' more effectively
than say, selfishness ever could

With MY BELIEFS in my mind, my SPIRIT is indomitable
and I have a PRESENCE OF MIND that will see me through
this LIFE I have [NOW] until BETTER TIMES hereafter

When I have chosen this PATH for my LIFE here
I shall have no-fear of my dying
for, this,
will-come as a completion of, all of my trials [HERE]

The CONTEXT.... what do I believe REALLY ?

Ask the GOOD SAMARITAN
Ask the Good Parent
Ask of-yourself.... WHAT am I good for ?

The MARK you leave behind you
will-be the LOVE [and respect] of so-many

In God, we survive, beyond physical death

There are different types of PAIN
ALL OF THEM, ARE TRANSIENT [they pass]

Of-course, I can, only speak for myself here now
Since joining CF...in December 26th 2006
I have been blessed with the COMFORT of God's LOVE
NOW.... whenever I will 'reach that moment'
of, my-'passing' I shall go... 'content'
that whilst my BEST EFFORTS could have been much better
My sins, were so few, for, I sought to do no-wrongdoing

The laws, which, I accepted as a child
The Ten Commandments
have been the terms by which my behaviour in this world
has been 'modified' / 'guided' and 'measured'

I won't allow DOUBT to creep back into my mind
I won't let Satan destroy the happiness the Lord has brought me
For, I lack any greed and have been blessed exceedingly
to have enjoyed
His Love and Forgiveness...
ie: I am rewarded here on earth

All the Praise and Glory be to God
and MY SAVIOUR the Lord Jesus
and the awesome might of the Holy Spirit

'The Lord's Prayer'

amen



dave

 

[clairefish]

If we are followers of Christ and accept the Bible as a written version of God's Word, we are still living by faith, not by facts.

No one can prove to someone else that the Bible is true, but neither can anyone prove that it is false or that anything else is true or false.

All of man's life, if there is such a thing, is based upon faith. We have faith that the sun will rise and that it will warm our bodies. We have faith that when we open our eyes we will see something. We have faith that when we put something to our tongue we will taste something. We have faith that there will be a tomorrow and we make plans accordingly.

My faith toward God was just faith to start, but in some things He has made my faith into something more substantial. But...there is no way that I can transfer that which God has given me to know to someone else. It is mine. If I share it and someone receives it as Truth, then that someone has also been in touch with God.

For the non-believer this is all nonsense, but for me the world of the unbeliever is the nonsense.

The only way any person can know anything for certain is that there is a God of Truth and that that same God of Truth has revealed something to the person.

To me, the real world is that which God has for Himself and for His people for eternity. That which we have or which we sense that we have here is the temporal, the transitory. As we are drawn closer to Him as our faith increases to where it is in part more than faith. Then the real world (heavens or in particular, third heaven) comes in focus and the old temporary, transitory world of the unbeliever begins to fade and eventually will not be at all.

Sometimes, when I read things like what you wrote, Amadeus, I realize that too often I am taking for granted so many things that I have faith in.
I go to sleep at night expecting a new day when I should be thanking God for allowing that to possibly, hopefully, happen. The rain that will surely come, the sun that will surely shine, the blessings that will surely flow.
I am thankful, make no mistake, but I realize that I am not thankful enough.
If something really amazing comes along, I will look up and voice my graces.
But I am going to try to voice them more over the little things from now on.
Thank you for the inspiration. I thank God, too, for people like you who are not afraid to share with others.

 

[amadeus2]

Originally Posted by amadeus2
What is Real?

an excellent question, Amadeus. And I applaud your searching...

Originally Posted by amadeus2
If we are followers of Christ and accept the Bible
as a written version of God's Word, we are still living by faith, not by facts.

yes, it all comes down to BELIEF.

Originally Posted by amadeus2
No one can prove to someone else that the Bible is true,
but neither can anyone prove that it is false, or that anything else is true or false. [/qupte]


[qupte]Yes, "Individual ... experience" comes into play here

We can not KNOW - God's Territory.......For all we have is 'our map', of the Territory.
(And most don't have even that).

Amadeus: God has a plan and He really does want to share it with people, but many are not at all interested.

Originally Posted by amadeus2
All of man's life, if there is such a thing, is based upon faith.
We have faith that the sun will rise and that it will warm our bodies.
We have faith that when we open our eyes we will see something.
We have faith that when we put something to our tongue we will taste something.
We have faith that there will be a tomorrow and we make plans accordingly.

My faith toward God was just faith to start,
but in some things He has made my faith into something more substantial.

And what *substantial*-FAITH are you referring to, Amadeus?

Amadeus: That now in my heart, the doubt that is there with anything in which we have faith is now receding. The existence of God to my heart is moving from a mere belief to an actual knowledge.

Originally Posted by amadeus2
But...there is no way that I can transfer that which God has given me to know to someone else. It is mine.

If I share it and someone receives it as Truth, then that someone has also been in touch with God.

Halleluiah! - then, BOTH can rejoyce in PRAISING GOD

Originally Posted by amadeus2
For the non-believer this is all nonsense,
but for me the world of the unbeliever is the nonsense.

Yes, you can side-step much "non-sense" in the world.

And LIVE... as Jesus Christ *lovingly invites* us each.

Amadeus: The invitation is still open for it is still "day", but soon the "night cometh when no man can work". When that happens it will be too late for those that have chosen not to answer His call.

Originally Posted by amadeus2
The only way any person can know anything for certain -
is thru a God of Truth, and that God of Truth has revealed something to the person.

God has, additionally created us with more abilities.

Amadeus: and we must use what we have as best we can. "much is given, much is required"

Originally Posted by amadeus2
To me, the real world is that which God has for Himself and for His people for eternity.

define "eternity"

Amadeus: It's not my word, but God's, so the definition is His as well. It is one of those things to me is still seen through the "glass darkly", but "face to face" is coming.

Originally Posted by amadeus2
That which we have or
which we sense that we have here is the temporal, the transitory.

As we are drawn closer to Him as our faith increases to where it is in part more than faith. Then the real world (heavens or in particular, third heaven) comes in focus and the old temporary, transitory world of the unbeliever begins to fade and eventually will not be at all.

so many Conclusions are being drawn here -
yet Amadeus - you started by ASKing a Question, "what is REAL" and your Context was?

Amadeus: Whether this world that man seems to dominate is "real" or not remains to be seen, but only those who are "believers" to the end will have the opportunity to see if it is "real" or only a very transitory illusion put before us by God.

The context is the whole of man's existence as he perceives without receiving new "eyes to see" from God.

 

[amadeus2]

Appraisal:

I dont wish to doubt
I have faith, which is my BELIEF
that there is, A GOD
that there is SOMETHING which is God's hereafter
that what is NOW, will be gone from me WHEN I go away from it [forever]
In my beliefs, I have been and am sheltered
been given, a Flak Jacket
been given, a loving ability, that is compassionate
this, compassion ASSISTS my 'kind' more effectively
than say, selfishness ever could

With MY BELIEFS in my mind, my SPIRIT is indomitable
and I have a PRESENCE OF MIND that will see me through
this LIFE I have [NOW] until BETTER TIMES hereafter

When I have chosen this PATH for my LIFE here
I shall have no-fear of my dying
for, this,
will-come as a completion of, all of my trials [HERE]

The CONTEXT.... what do I believe REALLY ?

Ask the GOOD SAMARITAN
Ask the Good Parent
Ask of-yourself.... WHAT am I good for ?

The MARK you leave behind you
will-be the LOVE [and respect] of so-many

In God, we survive, beyond physical death

There are different types of PAIN
ALL OF THEM, ARE TRANSIENT [they pass]

Of-course, I can, only speak for myself here now
Since joining CF...in December 26th 2006
I have been blessed with the COMFORT of God's LOVE
NOW.... whenever I will 'reach that moment'
of, my-'passing' I shall go... 'content'
that whilst my BEST EFFORTS could have been much better
My sins, were so few, for, I sought to do no-wrongdoing

The laws, which, I accepted as a child
The Ten Commandments
have been the terms by which my behaviour in this world
has been 'modified' / 'guided' and 'measured'

I won't allow DOUBT to creep back into my mind
I won't let Satan destroy the happiness the Lord has brought me
For, I lack any greed and have been blessed exceedingly
to have enjoyed
His Love and Forgiveness...
ie: I am rewarded here on earth

All the Praise and Glory be to God
and MY SAVIOUR the Lord Jesus
and the awesome might of the Holy Spirit

'The Lord's Prayer'

amen



dave

The "mark" you leave behind, if it is the right "mark" which yours is, is a "mark" , I believe, in God's book of life.

 

[amadeus2]

Sometimes, when I read things like what you wrote, Amadeus, I realize that too often I am taking for granted so many things that I have faith in.
I go to sleep at night expecting a new day when I should be thanking God for allowing that to possibly, hopefully, happen. The rain that will surely come, the sun that will surely shine, the blessings that will surely flow.
I am thankful, make no mistake, but I realize that I am not thankful enough.
If something really amazing comes along, I will look up and voice my graces.
But I am going to try to voice them more over the little things from now on.
Thank you for the inspiration. I thank God, too, for people like you who are not afraid to share with others.

Yes, clairefish, it is all OF God. It all came from Him even the parts which man has worked so hard to desecrate. Our whole faith in anything that seems to exist ultimately come from Him. At the start it was all "very good" [Gen 1:31], but God gave man the ability to choose something other than Him. As a result we are in a world which appears to be marred. But praise God who is able to restore all things!

 

[KeyStroke]

Yes, clairefish, it is all OF God. It all came from Him even the parts which man has worked so hard to desecrate. Our whole faith in anything that seems to exist ultimately come from Him. At the start it was all "very good" [Gen 1:31], but God gave man the ability to choose something other than Him. As a result we are in a world which appears to be marred. But praise God who is able to restore all things!

The Earth was marred by the fall of Lucifer (prior to Gen 1:4). I don't know if Lucifer had the ability to chose or not, but he went contrary to the will of God. As Lucifer (likely) had authority over the Earth prior to his fall, I therefore believe that because of that violation of the Earth, God entered into history to right the situation. After His (re)creative work, things were "very good". So, God created a new creature, one part temporal, part eternal. A creation that, if it sinned, could be redeemed because we are temporal. But one that could also have an eternal relationship with God.

 

[Maddi777]

ok, I'm not getting something here...

The Earth was marred by the fall of Lucifer (prior to Gen 1:4). I don't know if Lucifer had the ability to chose or not, but he went contrary to the will of God. As Lucifer (likely) had authority over the Earth prior to his fall, I therefore believe that because of that violation of the Earth, God entered into history to right the situation. After His (re)creative work, things were "very good".

I think Satan DID have a choice, or he wouldn'ta fell in the first place. Explain 're-creative' work. I think God created the earth and everything therein , in the 6 day's as a one-time thing. The flood was almost a 'do-over', exept for Noah and his family.

 

[Glenda]

Amadeus...

Recently God gave me this scripture in a dream..

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the essence of things being hoped, the evidence of things not having been seen.

He is showing me that the "unseen" is more "real" than the seen..

When you look at your computer.. your desk.. your chair.. there is more "empty space" there than matter.. although we "see" them as 'solid', they are not..

God spoke ALL things into existance.. He said let there be light & there was.. He said let us form man in our image.. and it happened..

I recently purchased a teaching by Joanne McFatter called Quantum Leap that I just started listening to.. it is about how scientists are discovering through quantum phyics & sound that the unseen is so much more real than what we can see..

 

[sk8Joyful]

Hi Amadeus

Glenda was simply more forth-coming... in what she said -

And she's on the right track ; as some of us have had *experience* with this, for many years.

I'll return to this, later.

Rest Well, my friend ~ Annie

Amadeus...
Recently God gave me this scripture in a dream..
Quote:
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the essence of things being hoped, the evidence of things not yet seen.

He is showing me that the "unseen" is more "real" than the seen..

When you look at your computer.. your desk.. your chair.. there is more "empty space" there than matter.. although we "see" them as 'solid', they are not..

God spoke ALL things into existance.. He said let there be light & there was.. He said let us form man in our image.. and it happened..

I recently purchased a teaching by Joanne McFatter called Quantum Leap that I just started listening to.. it is about how scientists are discovering through quantum phyics & sound that the unseen is so much more real than what we can see..

 

[KeyStroke]

ok, I'm not getting something here...

I think Satan DID have a choice, or he wouldn'ta fell in the first place. Explain 're-creative' work. I think God created the earth and everything therein , in the 6 day's as a one-time thing. The flood was almost a 'do-over', exept for Noah and his family.

1. If Lucifer had a choice, that is not revealed in scripture included in the cannon
2. My viewpoint on Genisis is 'old-earth, gap-variety'. The first of the six days revealed in Gen 1 could not have started 'ticking' until Gen 1:4. This is because Gen 1:5 indicates that it is the cycle of darkness-then-light initiated by the (re)creative act in Gen 1:4 that begins the "six-day countdown".
3. The flood was not the only "do-over". That theme is present in most (if not all) of the interventions of God in the history of the Earth.

There could have been millions or billions of years between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. Throughout Genisis we see that the creative works of God result in something good. I take this to mean that the works of God left unsaid in His efforts to accomplish all that is summarized in Gen 1:1 resulted in something good, including the Earth. This means that something which was not good occured to throw the Earth into the chaos described in Gen 1:2. That something that was not good was likely the fall of Lucifer (which was even described by Jesus). If (as I suppose) Lucifer had dominion over the Earth prior to his fall, then his fall would also be as likely to have cast the earth into the kind of chaos described in Gen 1:2.

I think the description of the events starting with Gen 1:3 through Gen 2:3 are the description of an intervention of God to rectify the damage done to the Earth by the fall of Lucifer. This even includes creating a new creature which had not existed before (man) and putting that creature in charge of the Earth (thus replacing the authority of Lucifer/Satan over the Earth with us).

 

[amadeus2]

Originally Posted by amadeus2
Yes, clairefish, it is all OF God. It all came from Him even the parts which man has worked so hard to desecrate. Our whole faith in anything that seems to exist ultimately come from Him. At the start it was all "very good" [Gen 1:31], but God gave man the ability to choose something other than Him. As a result we are in a world which appears to be marred. But praise God who is able to restore all things!

KeyStroke: The Earth was marred by the fall of Lucifer (prior to Gen 1:4). I don't know if Lucifer had the ability to chose or not, but he went contrary to the will of God. As Lucifer (likely) had authority over the Earth prior to his fall, I therefore believe that because of that violation of the Earth, God entered into history to right the situation. After His (re)creative work, things were "very good". So, God created a new creature, one part temporal, part eternal. A creation that, if it sinned, could be redeemed because we are temporal. But one that could also have an eternal relationship with God.

I am inclined to give all the responsibility for the fall to man and his ability to choose God's Way or not. Adam and Eve chose wrongly. Man's chief adversary has always been himself.

I also believe that God had a plan for man from the beginning and He made no mistakes. Everything that happened in history was in God's plan, but the details of most events were formed by man decisions, either to serve God or not to serve Him, to used for God's perfect will or to be used to perform His curses. God knew that most would choose not to serve Him. For those choosing NOT He spoke His curses and arranged to have them implemented.

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15

[for the underlined word, Amorites, substitute, devils, Americans, Russians, Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptists, etc. It makes no difference. Anything from money to flashy cars to big mansions or even to our own salvation that we place ahead of God even for just a moment is for that moment an Amorite or mammon. Every time any of us sins, we are guilty again of choosing wrongly.

 

[amadeus2]

ok, I'm not getting something here...



I think Satan DID have a choice, or he wouldn'ta fell in the first place. Explain 're-creative' work. I think God created the earth and everything therein , in the 6 day's as a one-time thing. The flood was almost a 'do-over', exept for Noah and his family.

But... I believe that even the flood was part of God's original plan. If we know the plan then we will also understand our part in it as well.

 

[amadeus2]

Amadeus...

Recently God gave me this scripture in a dream..



He is showing me that the "unseen" is more "real" than the seen..

When you look at your computer.. your desk.. your chair.. there is more "empty space" there than matter.. although we "see" them as 'solid', they are not..

God spoke ALL things into existance.. He said let there be light & there was.. He said let us form man in our image.. and it happened..

I recently purchased a teaching by Joanne McFatter called Quantum Leap that I just started listening to.. it is about how scientists are discovering through quantum phyics & sound that the unseen is so much more real than what we can see..

Oh yes, Glenda, your dream was surely from God. Thank you for sharing it here.

Scientists have discovered the empty space within all of the things that we have come to consider as solid and real. Unfortunately, most people have not discovered how to fill the empty space in their own hearts. Man's entire existence is empty without God. For this reason He sent His Son to make a Way for us to escape that emptiness and be filled with His own Spirit, with His Truth.

Jesus said, "...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

Philip's lack of vision expressed clearly what we are saying:

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" John 14:9

"Where there is no vision, the people perish:.." Prov 29:18

 

[KeyStroke]

But... I believe that even the flood was part of God's original plan. If we know the plan then we will also understand our part in it as well.

Don't fall into the trap of Fatalism. Fatalism is a religious idea that did not originate from God, but rather from Greek Mythology.

God delegated His soverignty over the earth to man (Gen 1:26,28). The result of man's choices (that are not led of the Spirit) would not be in God's original plan for the Earth. It is the wll of God that all be saved, yet not all are saved. Because God authorized the will of man to rule, it is the will of man that mitigates the will of God.

God wanted it that way, so this does not presume that man has more authority than God..... but all things that happen are not God's will. The vast majority of things that happen are because of the consequences of sin, which (by definition) is not God's will.

 

[davedajobauk]

Thesaurus
Legend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms

Noun

1.

fatalism - a submissive mental attitude
resulting from acceptance of the doctrine
that everything that happens
is predetermined and inevitable
acceptance, credence - the mental attitude
that something is believable and should be accepted
as true; "he gave credence to the gossip";
"acceptance of Newtonian mechanics
was unquestioned for 200 years"
2.fatalism - a philosophical doctrine holding
that all events are predetermined in advance for all time
and human beings are powerless to change them
determinism - (philosophy) a philosophical theory
holding that all events are inevitable consequences
of antecedent sufficient causes;
often understood as denying the possibility of free will

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Don't fall into the trap of Fatalism

Fatalism is a religious idea that did not originate from God

Fatalism...... ?
here are conflicts of, understanding
where I see:

That the Lord has pre-ordained our way

That His will ....WILL BE DONE and not ours

We are therefore, as believers,
at the mercy of, His will
and our FATE will occur,
because HE, HAS PLANNED THIS since, before....our births

Do I, ? have some misunderstanding in-this ?



dave

 

[amadeus2]

I am no fatalist. On the contrary, I believe in "free-will". I believe that essentially we have two choices: to serve God or not to serve Him. Along with that I believe that God knows all of our decisions before we make them, but it is we that make them. Yes, God would like everyone to be saved, but He is only going to save those that choose to please Him when there are other choices. There are always alternative choices. God made the alternatives, but He desires that we choose His Way in every choice that we make. That is what will please Him.

All of us have failed along the way, but He is merciful and knows that some of us will make it in the end.

Don't fall into the trap of Fatalism. Fatalism is a religious idea that did not originate from God, but rather from Greek Mythology.

God delegated His soverignty over the earth to man (Gen 1:26,28). The result of man's choices (that are not led of the Spirit) would not be in God's original plan for the Earth. It is the wll of God that all be saved, yet not all are saved. Because God authorized the will of man to rule, it is the will of man that mitigates the will of God.

God wanted it that way, so this does not presume that man has more authority than God..... but all things that happen are not God's will. The vast majority of things that happen are because of the consequences of sin, which (by definition) is not God's will.

 

[clairefish]

Don't fall into the trap of Fatalism. Fatalism is a religious idea that did not originate from God, but rather from Greek Mythology.

God delegated His soverignty over the earth to man (Gen 1:26,28). The result of man's choices (that are not led of the Spirit) would not be in God's original plan for the Earth. It is the wll of God that all be saved, yet not all are saved. Because God authorized the will of man to rule, it is the will of man that mitigates the will of God.

God wanted it that way, so this does not presume that man has more authority than God..... but all things that happen are not God's will. The vast majority of things that happen are because of the consequences of sin, which (by definition) is not God's will.

I do not believe that God willed that drunk driver to kill those innocent people in some wreck someplace. That was of that man's (the drunk driver) choice to drink and drive, true, and most certainly not God's will.
And God did give us free will, to make choices, right or wrong and in some cases, deadly. But He also gave us the insight and power to make good choices.
But to call this belief fatalism is a not exactly right.

 

[Maddi777]

Ok... I think this is my cue to bow out gracefully from this thread. I am a mere HS graduate, never been to college, and not a Science Major of anything, I am just a simple beliver. But I will stick to my guns, as it were... God created the earth and all living things, in 6 days/nights. God can do ANYTHING. The division of night and day... 24 hours, was the 2nd thing HE did, after forming the earth. Whatever happened to... just beliving. This is God we're talking about.... just have faith HE done it, and just belive.