What is Original Sin?

[StoryPort]

armothe:Story:
I agree with you, Satan was a master liar. He is the prince of lies. I also agree that sin is missing the mark, it is something I posted in one of my earlier posts in this thread. But you are trying to limit sin as just a lie, which isn't the truth..

Its a start. Part deu of your initial statement is in error. I previously laid out a complex mythology of sin, which is essentially a lie, both physically and noetically

Original Sin, as the topic of this thread, was when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit. The temptation was the lies of Satan. Adam and Eve gave into the temptation--believed the lie, if you want to say that--and thus committed the first (original) sin.

Um, you get it.

As a result, the curse that God warned them about came upon them. Sin and death passed down from Adam through the generations. Because of this, a Savior was needed, which is why Christ came.

As a result. That about sums it up. You now delineate the consequences, not the nature or essence of sin.

Sin is disobedience. Sin is missing the mark. Sin is imperfection. Sin includes all manner of things, such as lying, murder, adultry, fornication, etc. The bottom line is that the Bible calls us sinners. God calls us sinners. Sin is part of the truth, and there is no way of escaping that.

Yes, again, the results of Original Sin, the Original lie.

 

[armothe]

I think it has been proven, I just don't have any further information on it.

Proven that there is a sin gene which is responsible for all of our terrible actions? If so, perhaps we can alter the gene so we don't sin anymore.

-A

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

Story: Again you're trying the change the name of Sin to Lie. Sin isn't a lie, and it isn't only a lie. It is much more than that. Your logic isn't stacking up to the reality of what Sin is. Yes, there was a lie that started it all, but the sin was the disobedience, not the lie.

Armothe: Proven that children are born selfish and self-centered. Proven that one doesn't have to learn how to do "the wrong things."

 

[armothe]

Armothe: Proven that children are born selfish and self-centered. Proven that one doesn't have to learn how to do "the wrong things."

Please tell me a few of the things a newborn does that are selfish and self-centered.

Again, how has it been proven that when a toddler does something wrong its because of his/her genetically inherited sin and not because of either something they've seen/heard or a part of the general learning process. You speak of proof, but I have yet to see you present any.

-A

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

I can't comment on that any further as I lack the information to continue that thread of the discussion. I will say though that not everything is learned behavior. You don't have to teach a child to lie, they know that naturally.

I think it has been proven, I just don't have any further information on it.

By the way, scientists would it "human nature"not "sin."

 

[armothe]

Yet human nature allows us to do good things.

-A

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

You are correct, but that doesn't mean we aren't predisposed to both good and bad things and a result of our human nature.

 

[armothe]

You are correct, but that doesn't mean we aren't predisposed to both good and bad things and a result of our human nature.

I fully agree! Our human nature allows us to do both good and bad things.

Where we differ, it seems, is how we come about realizing the difference between good and bad. You seem to believe that we have a genetically inherited knowledge between good and evil. I personally believe we are born ignorant/naieve/neutral and through external sources learn the difference between good and evil.

Adam and Eve were created neutral and it required the Serpent to step in and manipulate the process. Adam and Eve were faced with information that was in conflict with what God told them. They disobeyed and their eyes were opened to the difference between good and evil.

Through their actions over their long life, they demonstrated both good and bad to their children, who in turn learned the difference between good and evil. Through their actions they then passed that knowledge onto their children and so on down through the generations. As soon as a child is old enough to reason they begin making both good and bad decisions based upon what they've observed. It could be based on what they see their parents do...siblings, classmates and even television.

 

[Hismessenger]

Unbelief!

hismessenger

 

[TruthMiner]

What is Original Sin? Is this an outdated phrase used to make sinners feel guilty? Is it an absence of knowledge of our grand importance or a gaping hole of inner darkness? Is it positive evil? Is it a mere flaw that we can live with? Are we responsible for it, or is Eve the one who should be punished forever because of it? Is it an energy, a mist, a force? Or a personality disorder? Is it a character issue or is it the legacy of others handed down to us? Is it just a thought in our own heads or a physical issue? Is it found in the bible? Speak your mind.

It is a doctrine made up by Augustine.

There is Adam's original sin which he committed.

There is no such thing as a "thing" or entity that we are born with called original sin. You might want to say we are born in a condition which you want to label as "original sin" but you would have to qualify what that means exactly.

 

[holyrokker]

It is a doctrine made up by Augustine.

There is Adam's original sin which he committed.

There is no such thing as a "thing" or entity that we are born with called original sin. You might want to say we are born in a condition which you want to label as "original sin" but you would have to qualify what that means exactly.

Exactly! "Original sin" is a false doctrine that tries to explain why everybody sins.

 

[xristos.anesti]

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[xristos.anesti]

Orthodox acknowledge that the introduction of ancestral sin into the human race affected the subsequent environment for mankind, but never accepted Augustine of Hippo's notions of original sin and hereditary guilt. The act of Adam is not the responsibility of all humanity, but the consequences of that act changed the reality of this present age of the cosmos.

For more information how and why Orthodox make difference between Ancestral sin as opposed to "original sin" visit this site.

 

[RMDY]

Sin is where we put created things before the glory of God. Sin is transgression. Sin was the result of disobedience to God.

 

[Ben12]

Something as big as sin had to be planned and ordained by God or else God is pretty helpless.

 

[JolieHeart]

The original sin was disobedience.

We don't inherit sin. Infants have not been on the earth as individual entities and are not responsible for your stealing from the cookie jar, my running a red light, or Eve eating the apple. Eve ate it herself (well Adam too) and was punished. What we inherited, was/is Free Will, the capacity to sin, and the responsibility of its consequences.