• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

what is on a prayer shawl or talith?

alilsa

Regular Member
Dec 27, 2004
1,264
20
64
Alabama
✟1,509.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
What is a prayer shawl or talith for? I heard it was something used instead of a closet like when Jesus said something about praying in your closet, he meant use a prayer shawl or something. And what is the Hebrew writing on a talith? A lady from my church sometimes brings her prayer shawl and prays with it but has no idea what the Hebrew writing is on it about. Is the writing on the prayer shawl Deut. 6:4 (part of the Shema)? And what does Deut. 6:4 look like in Hebrew? Part of it is something like "Shema Israel Adonai echad something? Does Purim come in March? If Aleth, is A what is the last Hebrew letter? I read something about the first and last letters of Hebrew in the Shema?
 
M

Melchizedek

Guest
The writing most likely is Baruch atah Adonai Eloheinu Melech ha Olam, asher kidshanu b'mitzvotav vitzivanu leheitatef b'tzitzit

which means:

Blessed are you LORD our God King of the Universe who has sanctified us with your commandments and has commanded us to wrap ourselves in tzitzit.

The tallit is a covering intended to "cover oneself" and has four corners for tzitzit. In many cases, it is this tallit from the wedding chupah that the man uses to "cover" his wife and family in prayer, although for single men it is simply used to cover one's head in the synagogue out of respect for God who is over all.

The tallit represents the stretching out of the heavens by God, and most importantly represents the tent - and is called a tent - which is in direct reference to the Tabernacle. The tent (tabernacle) is where God dwells. Thus it is used for prayer in this understanding that it is our tent, where we dwell with God.

When it says Paul was a tent-maker, he probably was a maker of tallits.

When is written that the messiah would come with "healing in his wings" refers to the tallit, since the two edges when draped over , are called "wings." In the "shadow of God's wings" is another reference - how we are in the shadow of his tent, who represents also the Messiah, who God tabernacled in among us.

The woman believed that Jesus was the Messiah by touching the fringes of the tallit, believing the verse "he will come with healing in his wings."

Messiah used a tallit to cover himself, and in imitation of Him, we are more than welcome to consider doing the same.
 
Upvote 0

alilsa

Regular Member
Dec 27, 2004
1,264
20
64
Alabama
✟1,509.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
boys wear that thing at bar mitvahs, don't they? "Blessed are you LORD our God King of the Universe who has sanctified us with your commandments and has commanded us to wrap ourselves in tzitzit" is that a verse in the Bible? I don't want to buy a talit just wondered what is written in Hebrew on it. and wondered what is the shema since it is also read or quoted a bit sometimes when someone wears a talith, don't they? Purim comes this year on March 21st or 20th? in passover week, just before Easter?
 
Upvote 0

cyberlizard

the electric lizard returns
Jul 5, 2007
6,268
569
56
chesterfield, UK
Visit site
✟32,565.00
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Married
its not a verse from the bible 'word for word' but a prayer recited before putting the tallit on, though the prayer does quote scripture (sort of).

As to Shema... this is Shema, it should be prayed reverently and with understanding.....

hear O Israel, HaShem our G-d, HaShem is One. (where HaShem is the four letter name of G-d).

though it will probably be prayed with Adonai not HaShem (where the former is Hebrew for lord).

Steve.... help this helps a little

p.s. though the Shema goes on from Deut. 6v4 - 9
 
Upvote 0

alilsa

Regular Member
Dec 27, 2004
1,264
20
64
Alabama
✟1,509.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
One place on the internet I found the first line of the Shema is "Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad".
The next word in the next verse translates "you shall love...The lady at church used the tallit to make like a tent thing and people walk under it for their miracle. I thought the flag of Israel has the Star of David on it.
 
Upvote 0

ChavaK

להיות טוב ולעשות טוב
May 12, 2005
8,524
1,804
US
✟174,080.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Republican
I thought the flag of Israel has the Star of David on it.

It does have a star of David on it; but the blue stripes are
patterned after the stripes on a tallis.

I don't know why they chose blue stripes, unless it is
a reference to techelet.
 
Upvote 0

Henaynei

Sh'ma Yisrael, Adonai Echud! Al pi Adonai...
Sep 6, 2003
21,343
1,805
North Carolina - my heart is with Israel ---
✟59,095.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Constitution
tallit-blessing.GIF
 
Upvote 0

alilsa

Regular Member
Dec 27, 2004
1,264
20
64
Alabama
✟1,509.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
In a christian prayer, the Lord's Prayer it starts out, "Our Father which art in heaven..." That was why I asked if you pray to the same God. But I know some of G-d's other names but not sure if I'm allowed to write it on here. The ones that means He is our provider, He is our banner, He sees me, He is our Healer... Just hadn't heard the one that He's the ruler of the Universe. Though Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. So Deut. 6:4 is not anywhere on the tallit?
 
Upvote 0

Hadassah

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2006
9,242
382
Germany
✟22,560.00
Country
Germany
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Married
Um... I don't want to sound rude or anything.. please forgive me as I am ill (honestly) and having trouble thinking of a better way to word this..

As Christianity branched out from Judaism.. how would it be that someone who adheres to Judaism or Messianic Judaism prays to another god?

Perhaps this beginner site (Hebrew for Christians) might help you


Here are a few others listed on wikipedia

The best resource I ever came across though was the Artscroll Siddur..
 
Upvote 0

Lulav

Y'shua is His Name
Aug 24, 2007
34,149
7,245
✟509,998.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Unorthodox
Marital Status
Married
What is a prayer shawl or talith for? I heard it was something used instead of a closet like when Jesus said something about praying in your closet, he meant use a prayer shawl or something. And what is the Hebrew writing on a talith? A lady from my church sometimes brings her prayer shawl and prays with it but has no idea what the Hebrew writing is on it about. Is the writing on the prayer shawl Deut. 6:4 (part of the Shema)? And what does Deut. 6:4 look like in Hebrew? Part of it is something like "Shema Israel Adonai echad something? Does Purim come in March? If Aleth, is A what is the last Hebrew letter? I read something about the first and last letters of Hebrew in the Shema?
What is it for? It is mainly for two things, one wore ( during the day) at synagogue when in prayer. The other more mundane is since our wearing apparel has changed since biblical times, we no longer have four cornered garments, with which to tie the tzitziot to. Thus a four cornered garment was made for such a purpose. The tallit is not the holy item, it is the tzitziot tied to it.

The writing on the mass-made talliots is just a 'cheat sheet', by that I mean they just contain the blessing in Hebrew one should say when putting it on. Most do not contain the name of G-d upon them but it is replaced by two yods.

You want to see the Shema in Hebrew go here

I have noticed lately that Christians are taking this as something they believe is part of their 'Jewish heritage' yet do not honor it as such, stay away from that, it is not pleasing to G-d.

boys wear that thing at bar mitvahs, don't they? "Blessed are you LORD our God King of the Universe who has sanctified us with your commandments and has commanded us to wrap ourselves in tzitzit" is that a verse in the Bible? I don't want to buy a talit just wondered what is written in Hebrew on it. and wondered what is the shema since it is also read or quoted a bit sometimes when someone wears a talith, don't they? Purim comes this year on March 21st or 20th? in passover week, just before Easter?

Please don't call it 'that thing', the tzitziot upon it are to remind us of G-d and all his commandments, it is a holy article, not a thing. And yes, a bar mitzvah will always be wearing one, as this is part of becoming a bar mitzvah.

"Blessed are you LORD our God King of the Universe who has sanctified us with your commandments and has commanded us to wrap ourselves in tzitzit"
No, this is said in some Messianic congregations, as the L-RD did not command this, but did command us to wear them.

Purim is always a month before Passover. Purim this year is near Easter which is being celebrate way off from Passover.


One place on the internet I found the first line of the Shema is "Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad".
The next word in the next verse translates "you shall love...The lady at church used the tallit to make like a tent thing and people walk under it for their miracle. I thought the flag of Israel has the Star of David on it.

You will find it in your bible, Deut 6:4. Yes when Israel became a nation again, the tallit was looked at for inspiration to make a flag. The blue is to symbolize the blue that should be in all tzitziot, and many talliot have blue stipes in them.

To be used in the way you describe again, is not pleasing to G-d, he doesn't need things like this to bless others with. You never see Yeshua using his tallit to hold over anyone, neither did he teach his disciples to do so.
It does have a star of David on it; but the blue stripes are
patterned after the stripes on a tallis.

I don't know why they chose blue stripes, unless it is
a reference to techelet.
Yes, that is why. :)

So Jews and Messianic Jews don't pray to the Heavenly Father, they pray to the LORD our God King of the Universe instead? So in the Old Testament, God wasn't the Heavenly Father until the New Testament?
Messianics use both terms and more. He is our heavenly father, but traditionally he is also called the King of the Universe, because that is how great he is. Elohenu Melech Ha Olam. Using Heavenly Father is a bit more intimate, and used for private prayer as opposed to corporate prayer , like in synagogue when you need a minyan ( 10 to pray or more).


In a christian prayer, the Lord's Prayer it starts out, "Our Father which art in heaven..." That was why I asked if you pray to the same God. But I know some of G-d's other names but not sure if I'm allowed to write it on here. The ones that means He is our provider, He is our banner, He sees me, He is our Healer... Just hadn't heard the one that He's the ruler of the Universe. Though Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. So Deut. 6:4 is not anywhere on the tallit?
That may be used in Christianity, but is a Jewish prayer. Yeshua was and still is Jewish, he was not a Christian. Yeshua called him Abba too, Father, he also referred to him to others as 'Your heavenly Father'. He of all had that personal intimacy, which he taught that we, when we become his children can also have.

Shalom! :)
 
Upvote 0

alilsa

Regular Member
Dec 27, 2004
1,264
20
64
Alabama
✟1,509.00
Faith
Pentecostal
Marital Status
Married
HadassahSukkot, I don't know how to put this very well but I know that God is the same G-d but in the Old Testament most people didn't relate to G-d as the Heavenly Father. Some did but most people then didn't. In fact, on Mt. Sinai, they ran from Him and wanted Moses to go talk to him instead. I meant relating to G-d as Father, not that He is a different G-d to different people in the New Testament. Then that middle wall was broken and now people can come to Him but alot of people still don' know him as Heavenly Father. Lulav, sorry didn't mean to sound disrespectful. I just didn't know how to spell "tallit" but thanks for posting.
 
Upvote 0

christinepro

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2005
939
26
58
✟1,237.00
Faith
Messianic
HadassahSukkot, I don't know how to put this very well but I know that God is the same G-d but in the Old Testament most people didn't relate to G-d as the Heavenly Father. Some did but most people then didn't. In fact, on Mt. Sinai, they ran from Him and wanted Moses to go talk to him instead. I meant relating to G-d as Father, not that He is a different G-d to different people in the New Testament. Then that middle wall was broken and now people can come to Him but alot of people still don' know him as Heavenly Father. Lulav, sorry didn't mean to sound disrespectful. I just didn't know how to spell "tallit" but thanks for posting.
Can we go directly to the Father? We need Yeshua as our mediator, I thought?
 
Upvote 0