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I came to this site in the hopes of finding the Christian fellowship I could not seem to find in my local churches and the need to stay "on-track" in my walk of faith was becoming extremely difficult in my current situation which is fairly isolated. Even though there has been some discussions with others on this site that have been helping me to change my perspective on some issues I've been facing, the vast majority have been far from truly edifying and have actually set me back somewhat and bought out my "old man". I suppose it's something I should have expected, since this past year, I cannot seem to find the help and understanding I seek within myself or from other people. Perhaps this has been God's way for me to really understand I cannot rely on anyone but him alone.

Anyway, it seems I am more an isolated case than I initially thought, because if this site and the content is anything to go by, it's often that people are either splitting hairs over scripture or they respond to posts with it and not much of their own personal experiences so they can "back-up" what they understand from scriptures to be true... or perhaps, this is just my assumption and people have had experience but are often unwilling to share it online, especially in a public forum? I don't know. I personally have always been an "open book" so to speak (often to my own detriment), and it's come so naturally to me that I don't try to hide or disguise who I really am with other people.

This past year since being "saved", has been a lot of experiences that have propelled an extreme shift in my view of life and the world. Unlike some others who choose to believe the bible and enter "Christianity" in faith, my experience happened somewhat in reverse.
I grew up in "Christianity", was never taught correctly about The Holy Trinity or who Jesus really was, (other than he was the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins). But in my heart I always believed in the heavenly Father as God and even when I "turned away" from faith, that feeling deep down was always there and I could never truly deny there was/is a God, like some others. Due to my religious upbringing and trauma surrounding that, I never could truly pick up a bible, read or understand it for myself - so I never did - in fact, despite having many promptings that I understand now looking back, to have been from God - not once did I ever consider the bible as being the source of his truth. In fact, I got to a point a few years ago where I utterly despised "Christianity" and I even scoffed at those who believed that a man who lived 2000 years ago was actually God. (Of course, this view I regret and feel a fool for now) but it is what it is.

Fast forward to about a year and bit ago, and my whole life was changed instantly when I had a revelation of Jesus after I "cried out" to God in my utter misery and despair and due to the previous 10 years of what I now understand to be spiritual attacks and other strange supernatural occurances - I did not have the faith to believe or do what I had been shown by Jesus to do, so I put the entire experience in the "crazy" basket and continued on my own path. A month later, I got the shock of my life when I was attacked by demons who initially led me to believe the "source" of information I was receiving was from God. If it weren't for my childhood religious teaching of God giving humans "free will", I do believe I would have been possessed, but perhaps God already knew the choice I would make and that I would not have willingly chosen satan had I thought before that time satan actually existed. (Which I never did before that experience).

The reason for my detailed post is to give the background as to why I'm in this current state of feeling like I entered the "twilight zone" and no matter how hard I try to get "back on track" with day to day life, I just can't seem to see anything the same way any more. In my attempts to attend church and return to being a "good little Christian", I found myself on the outside looking in, realising that many people in this setting of a traditional church tend to focus on "following the bible", fellowship with others in the church and doing community service outside of it. Most seem to have "normal" lives and "normal" problems, not much different to those of secular society, and I found myself kind of envious that they seemed to enjoy the peaceful ignorance of the spiritual reality that exists, something that I desperately so wanted to have my entire life.

Often, a Christian will read something like this and suggest I read scripture and seek God. I've often told others the same thing after expressing my view from my own experiences, but even though I know this is necessary, I cannot seem to do this for myself. Partly due to old trauma and the spiritual attacks that have left me feeling more vulnerable than I did before, which is a feeling I absolutely detest, but also because my childhood view of the heavenly Father "watching over" everyone has changed and I no longer understand how I'm supposed to relate to him. And I'm not "open" to more "supernatural" stuff, after countless emotionally triggering situations and experiences this year, I just want to close my eyes and bury my head in the sand but I know so long as I do this I'm not making any progress in getting closer to God or spiritual growth. I also don't believe I have the Holy Spirit "indwelling" in me. I have heard him speak and felt his presence, but due to my "salvation" day, something I won't go into here, I have come to believe we have to make a choice and be truly "open" and vulnerable in order to receive the Holy Spirit and subsequently, be "born-again". I personally made a choice to put my wall up at that time and I've often thought I better hurry up or I'm going to lose God and end up worse than i was before, but the overwhelming fear of being open to his Spirit truly prevents me from moving forward.

Has anyone else had trauma and issues surrounding closeness and vulnerability with others and how has this affected your openness to God and your progression in your relationship with him?
 

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Oh Pipp@, I don't know what to write as yet, and I'm praying in the Spirit right now as I read this.
You've come on here like a whirlwind, and your presence has been a blessing. I relate to so much of what you say. I understand about the splitting hairs over Scripture thing - I see that.
If I can say anything Pipp@, and I'm not sure I can, it's just to relax. Just relax. The Lord has you covered, just rest in His presence for now, and try and seek the good company that is here on CF. Look! I came to say hello. :wave:

I love you Pipp@, and that's not in some sycophantic or even romantic way (I'm married), but rather as a sister in Christ. May God Bless you richly.

PS. Would you consider joining us on the Bible read-through that @Brother-Mike is hosting. I had thought about asking you earlier, but now seems like a good opportunity.
Personally, I've never read through the full Bible myself, and I think this will be a good way to do it, with the accountability and discussion with others. Have a look and see what you think. I'm sure Brother Mike will give you a link to the Discord platform that it's hosted on.
 
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You've come on here like a whirlwind, and your presence has been a blessing.
I don’t think everyone here would see it that way but thanks lol

PS. Would you consider joining us on the Bible read-through that @Brother-Mike is hosting. I had thought about asking you earlier, but now seems like a good opportunity.
Personally, I've never read through the full Bible myself, and I think this will be a good way to do it, with the accountability and discussion with others. Have a look and see what you think. I'm sure Brother Mike will give you a link to the Discord platform that it's hosted on.
That might be more beneficial to me than posting and commenting on random posts, so yeah, thanks...where do I find that?
 
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Wish I could Help you Out, Pipp.:hug:
You know I'm always around to chat.:oldthumbsup:
Even If i'm a bit Daft :doh:
it's been a Blessing and I'm Glad the LORD has Put you in my Path. :oldthumbsup:
Just know with the zeal you've got for the LORD,
He hasn't left you,
His Fire Burns passionately within you:amen:
 
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I don’t think everyone here would see it that way but thanks lol


That might be more beneficial to me than posting and commenting on random posts, so yeah, thanks...where do I find that
Pipp@. It was @Brother-Mike who set it up, so I think you have to get invited to it. He'll be along soon I'm sure.
 
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I came to this site in the hopes of finding the Christian fellowship I could not seem to find in my local churches and the need to stay "on-track" in my walk of faith was becoming extremely difficult in my current situation which is fairly isolated. Even though there has been some discussions with others on this site that have been helping me to change my perspective on some issues I've been facing, the vast majority have been far from truly edifying and have actually set me back somewhat and bought out my "old man". I suppose it's something I should have expected, since this past year, I cannot seem to find the help and understanding I seek within myself or from other people. Perhaps this has been God's way for me to really understand I cannot rely on anyone but him alone.

Anyway, it seems I am more an isolated case than I initially thought, because if this site and the content is anything to go by, it's often that people are either splitting hairs over scripture or they respond to posts with it and not much of their own personal experiences so they can "back-up" what they understand from scriptures to be true... or perhaps, this is just my assumption and people have had experience but are often unwilling to share it online, especially in a public forum? I don't know. I personally have always been an "open book" so to speak (often to my own detriment), and it's come so naturally to me that I don't try to hide or disguise who I really am with other people.

This past year since being "saved", has been a lot of experiences that have propelled an extreme shift in my view of life and the world. Unlike some others who choose to believe the bible and enter "Christianity" in faith, my experience happened somewhat in reverse.
I grew up in "Christianity", was never taught correctly about The Holy Trinity or who Jesus really was, (other than he was the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins). But in my heart I always believed in the heavenly Father as God and even when I "turned away" from faith, that feeling deep down was always there and I could never truly deny there was/is a God, like some others. Due to my religious upbringing and trauma surrounding that, I never could truly pick up a bible, read or understand it for myself - so I never did - in fact, despite having many promptings that I understand now looking back, to have been from God - not once did I ever consider the bible as being the source of his truth. In fact, I got to a point a few years ago where I utterly despised "Christianity" and I even scoffed at those who believed that a man who lived 2000 years ago was actually God. (Of course, this view I regret and feel a fool for now) but it is what it is.

Fast forward to about a year and bit ago, and my whole life was changed instantly when I had a revelation of Jesus after I "cried out" to God in my utter misery and despair and due to the previous 10 years of what I now understand to be spiritual attacks and other strange supernatural occurances - I did not have the faith to believe or do what I had been shown by Jesus to do, so I put the entire experience in the "crazy" basket and continued on my own path. A month later, I got the shock of my life when I was attacked by demons who initially led me to believe the "source" of information I was receiving was from God. If it weren't for my childhood religious teaching of God giving humans "free will", I do believe I would have been possessed, but perhaps God already knew the choice I would make and that I would not have willingly chosen satan had I thought before that time satan actually existed. (Which I never did before that experience).

The reason for my detailed post is to give the background as to why I'm in this current state of feeling like I entered the "twilight zone" and no matter how hard I try to get "back on track" with day to day life, I just can't seem to see anything the same way any more. In my attempts to attend church and return to being a "good little Christian", I found myself on the outside looking in, realising that many people in this setting of a traditional church tend to focus on "following the bible", fellowship with others in the church and doing community service outside of it. Most seem to have "normal" lives and "normal" problems, not much different to those of secular society, and I found myself kind of envious that they seemed to enjoy the peaceful ignorance of the spiritual reality that exists, something that I desperately so wanted to have my entire life.

Often, a Christian will read something like this and suggest I read scripture and seek God. I've often told others the same thing after expressing my view from my own experiences, but even though I know this is necessary, I cannot seem to do this for myself. Partly due to old trauma and the spiritual attacks that have left me feeling more vulnerable than I did before, which is a feeling I absolutely detest, but also because my childhood view of the heavenly Father "watching over" everyone has changed and I no longer understand how I'm supposed to relate to him. And I'm not "open" to more "supernatural" stuff, after countless emotionally triggering situations and experiences this year, I just want to close my eyes and bury my head in the sand but I know so long as I do this I'm not making any progress in getting closer to God or spiritual growth. I also don't believe I have the Holy Spirit "indwelling" in me. I have heard him speak and felt his presence, but due to my "salvation" day, something I won't go into here, I have come to believe we have to make a choice and be truly "open" and vulnerable in order to receive the Holy Spirit and subsequently, be "born-again". I personally made a choice to put my wall up at that time and I've often thought I better hurry up or I'm going to lose God and end up worse than i was before, but the overwhelming fear of being open to his Spirit truly prevents me from moving forward.

Has anyone else had trauma and issues surrounding closeness and vulnerability with others and how has this affected your openness to God and your progression in your relationship with him?
My friend, when I was reading your post I strangely began to think of the verse No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God (Luke 9:62). Now in saying that please don't think I believe you are looking back. I think it is more like you have laid hold of something here that you know you can't let go of, but at the same time didn't know what you were really in for when you grabbed hold of those handles. Something has indelibly happened to you. You have met your Lord. You know there is no turning back. But yet, The Horses of God are strong and mighty. They pull you down paths strange and unknown - steep and costly. I know it is terrifying at times. But one thing I do know about the Lord's horses, no matter how blinding the way, no matter how lost and unsure the way may "feel" His horses always know the way home. Just keep holding onto the handles they won't lead you astray.

I have no doubt if you do, all of these fears you have about opening up to Him will dissipate in time. We can "feel" a certain way for a long time and then suddenly He is there. He causes our eyes to see, and all of these so called insurmountable problems we thought were impossible and have been so perplexed about simply vanish in His sight. You do not believe that now. But you will. I have no doubt you will.
 
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I have no doubt if you do, all of these fears you have about opening up to Him will dissipate in time. We can "feel" a certain way for a long time and then suddenly He is there. He causes our eyes to see, and all of these so called insurmountable problems we thought were impossible and have been so perplexed about simply vanish in His sight. You do not believe that now. But you will. I have no doubt you will.
Thanks Brad. I hope so :hug:
 
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I came to this site in the hopes of finding the Christian fellowship I could not seem to find in my local churches and the need to stay "on-track" in my walk of faith was becoming extremely difficult in my current situation which is fairly isolated. Even though there has been some discussions with others on this site that have been helping me to change my perspective on some issues I've been facing, the vast majority have been far from truly edifying and have actually set me back somewhat and bought out my "old man". I suppose it's something I should have expected, since this past year, I cannot seem to find the help and understanding I seek within myself or from other people. Perhaps this has been God's way for me to really understand I cannot rely on anyone but him alone.

Anyway, it seems I am more an isolated case than I initially thought, because if this site and the content is anything to go by, it's often that people are either splitting hairs over scripture or they respond to posts with it and not much of their own personal experiences so they can "back-up" what they understand from scriptures to be true... or perhaps, this is just my assumption and people have had experience but are often unwilling to share it online, especially in a public forum? I don't know. I personally have always been an "open book" so to speak (often to my own detriment), and it's come so naturally to me that I don't try to hide or disguise who I really am with other people.

This past year since being "saved", has been a lot of experiences that have propelled an extreme shift in my view of life and the world. Unlike some others who choose to believe the bible and enter "Christianity" in faith, my experience happened somewhat in reverse.
I grew up in "Christianity", was never taught correctly about The Holy Trinity or who Jesus really was, (other than he was the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins). But in my heart I always believed in the heavenly Father as God and even when I "turned away" from faith, that feeling deep down was always there and I could never truly deny there was/is a God, like some others. Due to my religious upbringing and trauma surrounding that, I never could truly pick up a bible, read or understand it for myself - so I never did - in fact, despite having many promptings that I understand now looking back, to have been from God - not once did I ever consider the bible as being the source of his truth. In fact, I got to a point a few years ago where I utterly despised "Christianity" and I even scoffed at those who believed that a man who lived 2000 years ago was actually God. (Of course, this view I regret and feel a fool for now) but it is what it is.

Fast forward to about a year and bit ago, and my whole life was changed instantly when I had a revelation of Jesus after I "cried out" to God in my utter misery and despair and due to the previous 10 years of what I now understand to be spiritual attacks and other strange supernatural occurances - I did not have the faith to believe or do what I had been shown by Jesus to do, so I put the entire experience in the "crazy" basket and continued on my own path. A month later, I got the shock of my life when I was attacked by demons who initially led me to believe the "source" of information I was receiving was from God. If it weren't for my childhood religious teaching of God giving humans "free will", I do believe I would have been possessed, but perhaps God already knew the choice I would make and that I would not have willingly chosen satan had I thought before that time satan actually existed. (Which I never did before that experience).

The reason for my detailed post is to give the background as to why I'm in this current state of feeling like I entered the "twilight zone" and no matter how hard I try to get "back on track" with day to day life, I just can't seem to see anything the same way any more. In my attempts to attend church and return to being a "good little Christian", I found myself on the outside looking in, realising that many people in this setting of a traditional church tend to focus on "following the bible", fellowship with others in the church and doing community service outside of it. Most seem to have "normal" lives and "normal" problems, not much different to those of secular society, and I found myself kind of envious that they seemed to enjoy the peaceful ignorance of the spiritual reality that exists, something that I desperately so wanted to have my entire life.

Often, a Christian will read something like this and suggest I read scripture and seek God. I've often told others the same thing after expressing my view from my own experiences, but even though I know this is necessary, I cannot seem to do this for myself. Partly due to old trauma and the spiritual attacks that have left me feeling more vulnerable than I did before, which is a feeling I absolutely detest, but also because my childhood view of the heavenly Father "watching over" everyone has changed and I no longer understand how I'm supposed to relate to him. And I'm not "open" to more "supernatural" stuff, after countless emotionally triggering situations and experiences this year, I just want to close my eyes and bury my head in the sand but I know so long as I do this I'm not making any progress in getting closer to God or spiritual growth. I also don't believe I have the Holy Spirit "indwelling" in me. I have heard him speak and felt his presence, but due to my "salvation" day, something I won't go into here, I have come to believe we have to make a choice and be truly "open" and vulnerable in order to receive the Holy Spirit and subsequently, be "born-again". I personally made a choice to put my wall up at that time and I've often thought I better hurry up or I'm going to lose God and end up worse than i was before, but the overwhelming fear of being open to his Spirit truly prevents me from moving forward.

Has anyone else had trauma and issues surrounding closeness and vulnerability with others and how has this affected your openness to God and your progression in your relationship with him?
I can relate to two things you said:

1. Feeling like I am very different from every day believers which can cause loneliness, this difference being from spiritual sensitivity and my own struggles, and

2. Feeling misled by a spirit pretending to be The Holy Spirit.

In regards to #2 I have heard a voice for many years i thought was the Holy Spirit but sometimes it would be misleading. I am also diagnosed so i hear things and now I don't let anything speak to me unless I think it might be The Holy Spirit, but even then I always do what I have chosen to do never what I am told by a voice.

in regards to #1 i have noticed a change in spiritual atmosphere, it feels as though there are times and seasons where it seems the spiritual and the physical is more distinct and separate, other times or more "normal" times things are less tense and i can relax more.

I just want you to know you're not alone, even if you feel so. I read the majority of what you wrote (excuse my lack of attention I have a hard time staying focused but i really tried to read all of it) and i will say that I understand feeling like everyone else is just living a "normal" life while you feel like you've advanced more than most. I just want to encourage you that if you are to advance make sure you are able to handle what you already have learned (i'm dealing with a lot of annoying opposition just typing this to you). If you can handle what you already have and still want to grow there is nothing wrong with wanting to advance.

The reason i say this is because i have reached a point where i cannot comfortably advance unless Jesus forces me to because it will be too much if i grow more. I am in a state where i need to be able to handle what i already have. Before i post a scripture that helps clarify what i mean just know you have a friend in me. I've seen what you've posted and consider you someone i take joy in listening/reading your responses. Feel free to message me or just respond to anything you see from me. Back to what i believe supports holding onto what you have:

Revelation 2:24-25

24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’

Do not misunderstand me, if you want to grow more then that is fine, i only speak from experience where i have to stop and just get better at what i already have grown so that i do not advance more than i can handle. Better to have a good structure that is sound and 7 stories tall than one that is barely held together yet 21 stories tall.
 
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I can relate to two things you said:

1. Feeling like I am very different from every day believers which can cause loneliness, this difference being from spiritual sensitivity and my own struggles, and

2. Feeling misled by a false Holy Spirit.

In regards to #2 I have heard a voice for many years i thought was the Holy Spirit but sometimes it would be misleading. I am also diagnosed so i hear things and now I don't let anything speak to me unless I think it might be The Holy Spirit, but even then I always do what I have chosen to do never what I am told by a voice.

in regards to #1 i have noticed a change in spiritual atmosphere, it feels as though there are times and seasons where it seems the spiritual and the physical is more distinct and separate, other times or more "normal" times things are less tense and i can relax more.

I just want you to know you're not alone, even if you feel so. I read the majority of what you wrote (excuse my lack of attention I have a hard time staying focused but i really tried to read all of it) and i will say that I understand feeling like everyone else is just living a "normal" life while you feel like you've advanced more than most. I just want to encourage you that if you are to advance make sure you are able to handle what you already have learned (i'm dealing with a lot of annoying opposition just typing this to you). If you can handle what you already have and still want to grow there is nothing wrong with wanting to advance.

The reason i say this is because i have reached a point where i cannot comfortably advance unless Jesus forces me to because it will be too much if i grow more. I am in a state where i need to be able to handle what i already have. Before i post a scripture that helps clarify what i mean just know you have a friend in me. I've seen what you've posted and consider you someone i take joy in listening/reading your responses. Feel free to message me or just respond to anything you see from me. Back to what i believe supports holding onto what you have:

Revelation 2:24-25

24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’

Do not misunderstand me, if you want to grow more then that is fine, i only speak from experience where i have to stop and just get better at what i already have grown so that i do not advance more than i can handle. Better to have a good structure that is sound and 7 stories tall than one that is barely held together yet 21 stories tall.
I really don't even want to see number 2 could you Please rewrite that?
That's Just Something NOBODY should ever see, Ever
 
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I really don't even want to see number 2 could you Please rewrite that?
That's Just Something NOBODY should ever see, Ever
I was relating to this:
A month later, I got the shock of my life when I was attacked by demons who initially led me to believe the "source" of information I was receiving was from God.
 
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I really don't even want to see number 2 could you Please rewrite that?
That's Just Something NOBODY should ever see, Ever
Just to clarify i am not stating that The Holy Spirit cannot talk to us, rather to be vigilant and not just believe whatever you think or hear. This is biblical. I was also talking to @Pipp@ i'm sorry if what i wrote offended you but that was me being real and honest in a forum i hope i'm allowed to do. Please let me know if you still need clarification on what i wrote
 
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yeah but noticed the OP said "source" :/
If we are splitting hairs on what i said then i will clarify. The source that pretended to be of God was false, and imitated what The Holy Spirit might sound like. Simple as that.
 
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If we are splitting hairs on what i said then i will clarify. The source that pretended to be of God was false, and imitated what The Holy Spirit might sound like. Simple as that.
We're not splitting "hairs" there are people that Get attacked and that particular statement could get them to accidently Blasphemy the LORDS spirit unintentionally.
I myself am one such person who deals with those attacks

(these attacks didn't occur when i was 'living la vida loca', they started after I repented to the LORD and he forgave me.)
 
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We're not splitting "hairs" there are people that Get attacked and that particular statement could get them to accidently Blasphemy the LORDS spirit unintentionally.
I myself am one such person who deals with those attacks
How is stating to be vigilant and not believe every spirit something that would cause someone to blasphemy The Holy Spirit? Does the Bible not say to test the spirits? Please explain how me saying to be careful is in any way encouraging blasphemy
 
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How is stating to be vigilant and not believe every spirit something that would cause someone to blasphemy The Holy Spirit? Does the Bible not say to test the spirits? Please explain how me saying to be careful is in any way encouraging blasphemy
It's nearly 2am, well past my bedtime,
I'd be open to having this discussion off CF LORD WILLING shall we live sometime ( due to RULES)
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It's nearly 2am, well past my bedtime,
I'd be open to having this discussion off CF since the RULES say you can't speak the truth on here without being punished.
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Look as someone who is sensitive i empathize with not doing or saying anything that might cause someone to stumble, so i apologize. i am not trying to do that. Please know that I believe in Jesus, i beleive in His Spirit of Truth, i believe Jesus talks to us and so does The Holy Spirit. Just be cautious, that's all. No need to over think or it even think anyone is dealing with what i dealt with. Just a reminder to be careful that's all. You can message me, i'm not going to report you if you accidentally say something that's not PC, my messages are safe to say to me and i appreciate you being honest with me about how what i said made you feel, i will be more aware in the future. :)
 
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Look as someone who is sensitive i empathize with not doing or saying anything that might cause someone to stumble, so i apologize. i am not trying to do that. Please know that I believe in Jesus, i beleive in His Spirit of Truth, i believe Jesus talks to us and so does The Holy Spirit. Just be cautious, that's all. No need to over think or it even think anyone is dealing with what i dealt with. Just a reminder to be careful that's all. You can message me, i'm not going to report you if you accidentally say something that's not PC, my messages are safe to say to me and i appreciate you being honest with me about how what i said made you feel, i will be more aware in the future. :)
@J Mick is really struggling right now (as most of us do) so perhaps a PM is in order.... as for me I completely understand what you meant and I don't take offence at all :wave:
 
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