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I think so---that she's possibly carrying weight of shame and remorse and needs some relief from it. That's also what was happening to Cain. He knew God wasn't pleased with him......and he wanted to be accepted. Even after God directly told him what he needed to do in order to be accepted, he instead continued on hating his brother, Abel---and was envious of him (even though the same thing was available to him). I think most (healthy) people know right from wrong, and even if they ignore doing what's right, they suffer from that guilt and shame until they do face their own wrongs.

The one verse that has become sort of my life verse is "wise as a serpent, innocent as a dove" (Matthew 10:16). It's much easier to sleep and night when we live that way (like you said).
 
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heres a new question (without having to start another thread)

my kids are obviously fed up with their mom. i have no real opinion and i dont sway them to feel any which way-i just listen and give them the prospective of how they should respond regarding to what is acceptable.

im now seeing someone and it's getting serious to the point that she has developed a relationship with the kids. she comes by, buys them things they need and cooks dinner on occasion to make sure we are taken care of. this past weekend, the kids had a baseball game. their mom didnt show up. when my gf found out she came over to the game to support and cheer them on.

my ex has no idea about her or the relationship the kids have with her. im kinda worried about her reaction when or if she does hear about this. considering the kids dont even really communcate with their mom anymore and now they are bonding with my gf , i cant imagine how that will feel or what she will say to them
 
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Your ex-wife's opinion should not even matter when it comes to what happens in your personal life. As long as the new GF is not mistreating the kids, the ex-wife should mind her own business.
She may never admit it but I would be willing to bet that she is remorseful. You sound like a good guy and the grass she saw on the other side was not as green as she first thought. If she was truly happy with her decisions, you would not be hearing very much from her like this. Blessings
 
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heres a new question (without having to start another thread)

my kids are obviously fed up with their mom. i have no real opinion and i dont sway them to feel any which way-i just listen and give them the prospective of how they should respond regarding to what is acceptable.

im now seeing someone and it's getting serious to the point that she has developed a relationship with the kids. she comes by, buys them things they need and cooks dinner on occasion to make sure we are taken care of. this past weekend, the kids had a baseball game. their mom didnt show up. when my gf found out she came over to the game to support and cheer them on.

my ex has no idea about her or the relationship the kids have with her. im kinda worried about her reaction when or if she does hear about this. considering the kids dont even really communcate with their mom anymore and now they are bonding with my gf , i cant imagine how that will feel or what she will say to them

If your ex was seeing somebody new and was around your kids to the degree that your girlfriend is, and interacting with them in a similar way, would you want to know?

There's your answer.

And if your kids are fed up with their mother, you should work to help them get to a point where they can have a better relationship with her. It seems like they're choosing sides and it's in their best interest for you both to kind of guide them back to a middle ground, where it's not one parent vs the other.
 
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I'm not following your answer. In my situation she cheated on me , broke up the family and as soon as she could she introduced the man she commited adultery with...who now stays in her apt.
I'm the one that gave them time to adjust and now that its been a few years im moving forward with my life and interestingly enough she's got an attitude about that. The boys are teens and the conflict they habe with their mom is dependant on the situations they are dealing with her not my personal problems. I hear them out and give them options how to handle it but ultimately i stay out because I'm not there to referreetheir fights
 
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I'm not following your answer. In my situation she cheated on me , broke up the family and as soon as she could she introduced the man she commited adultery with...who now stays in her apt.
I'm the one that gave them time to adjust and now that its been a few years im moving forward with my life and interestingly enough she's got an attitude about that. The boys are teens and the conflict they habe with their mom is dependant on the situations they are dealing with her not my personal problems. I hear them out and give them options how to handle it but ultimately i stay out because I'm not there to referreetheir fights

I don't think you should kids aren't stupid.

This woman(and I use the term loosely) destroyed their family betrayed their father and them. She picked herself over her own flesh and blood. Of course they are going to pick sides and that's normal. I think you need to attempt to get full custody they deserve better then she can give.

I'm happy your in a new relationship and she's a real mother figure to the boys.
 
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Im counting the days until they can choose and make those decisions. i felt that bringing them around my gf who is supportive and positive would be a healthy contrast to the passive aggressive negativity they are used to.

i think if the shoe was on the other foot and i was an abusive male with teen daughters the contrast of the whole situation would be different. i dont think there is much room for a double standard
 
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I'm not following your answer. In my situation she cheated on me , broke up the family and as soon as she could she introduced the man she commited adultery with...who now stays in her apt.

I'm the one that gave them time to adjust and now that its been a few years im moving forward with my life and interestingly enough she's got an attitude about that. The boys are teens and the conflict they habe with their mom is dependant on the situations they are dealing with her not my personal problems. I hear them out and give them options how to handle it but ultimately i stay out because I'm not there to referreetheir fights

Regardless, this is their mother. Agree or don't agree with what she did, as a parent you should encourage your children to have a relationship with her. And, like it or not, as a parent, it is your job to referee their fights. It sounds like there's a lot of animosity between the two of you, rightly or wrongly, but that shouldn't rub off on the kids.

As to if she does or doesn't have an attitude about you moving on remains to be seen. A lot of times people read into situations more then there really is, especially as they're looking for closure. In this situation, regardless of your current marital situations, I think neither one of you really got closure or moved on and that's the source of a lot of the problems.
 
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My exwife cheated on me, broke up the family and moved on with the guy she was seeing during the marriage - this was nearly 4 years ago.

we never spoke about anything when she was caught. she just up and filed for divorce the following day and told the court she was afraid for her life so i was told to move out. well i did. i ended up with my house back and some shared time with our kids.

up to this point, i've left her alone. i've never called her or text her about anything. i've never asked about her and i and never tried to get back at her.

however, recently shes been popping up in odd ways. she texts me here and there over nonsense (she told me one of my favorite athletes died to get my attention) or will try to provoke me to arguements .
When the kids had a dental exam that i took them to, she was there- inside the building with shades on, a new shirt that says 'i love my bf' and her hair done to a t just to 'be there ' ..that struck me as wierd.

You have your answer right there; your ex is looking for your attention. I assume the athlete was not dead? That is seriously not normal behaviour; if you have the evidence for that one I think the courts would have sympathy for you.

It looks as if she wants to provoke a reaction from you, and she can't do it the right way any more, so she has to find the wrong way instead. She probably doesn't even know she is doing it. Other people are right when they say you need to keep a diary of everything she is doing.

She is not wrong to turn up at the boys' dental exam, though. This is the problem; she is shifting from the right thing to the not quite right thing, and seems not to be able to judge what is appropriate.

You are doing the right thing; if you do not react to her provocations she will eventually give up and find someone else who will. But it may take some time, because the boys give her a way to get to you. She is using them in rather an unpleasant way.

then i see she tried to follow me on social media with her name being 'herboyfriendsspecialdoll' - i blocked her and didnt mention it. Now she starting arguements again, while putting our kids in the middle , sending messages through them or just flat out slandering me to them, so i blocked her from texting me. i told her that if she has to reach me, it should be about the kids and important. i refuse to argue with her anymore and dont want to have a casual relationship with her.

since then she's been accusing me of talking to the kids bad about her and now searches their emails (she took the passwords) for our discussions when they email me..

why do you think she is doing this stuff and why? i dont bother her and i dont give her a reason to be hostile withe me

She has no right to search through emails between you and your sons. You are their father, and you are entitled to write to them if you want to. I know a lot of parents do stuff like this, but it is really damaging, I think. Young people have to have some privacy and not feel as if they are constantly being watched.

Why is she doing it? It looks as if may be narcissistic; she sees the emails as about her, whether they are or not; therefore she is entitled to read them. If you google narcissism you will see more about it, and whether it might fit. In essence, a narcissist lives a drama in which they are the star and everyone around is a supporting actor; it doesn't matter who the others are, they never come first. Not even her own children come before her needs. If this is the case and you can provide evidence of it, then you have a very strong case for custody of your boys, imo. Narcissists do not make good mothers because they can never put anyone else before themselves.

She seems also to be rather insecure; her user name and her tshirt seem to indicate that she defines herself in relation to the man she is with. If you can find a way to affirm her identity as the mother of your sons and try to make her feel more secure about that, then she may be happier. At present she really doesn't seem to know who she is; she seems to need someone else to do that for her. Otoh, that really is not your problem; if you help her too much she might just want more attention from you, and I don't think that is anything to encourage.

Narcissists hate being ignored, but this is the only way to deal with them. You are doing exactly the right thing by mostly ignoring what she does, and by setting very clear interpersonal boundaries. And she is kicking against those boundaries, because it is all about her, not about you; what she wants and what she needs. She will not want you to be happy with a new gf, so be ready for additional drama when she finds out about that.
 
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WOW you really broke that down exceptionally well! the mentality is that she's the allstar actor in a show that revolves around her and her alone - without any real backlash or regard for others around her...that sounds about right. i have EVERY Text for the last 2 years saved and i have specific dates and times that she approaches me.

alittle bit about my refusing to get involved with the argueing over there; the dynamic is the boys follow my lead because we are close. she has just alil more custody (we dont have 50%each ) so they are with her alil more...but they have a rocky relationship. they tell me what they felt is wrong or just crying out about their feelings; so at the time i called her up to talk about it and she took offense to anything perceived as wrong doing on her part and tried to get a restraining order (it was dismissed) because she claimed i was slandering her to our kids...then literally 4 days after court she calls me from dinner to ask me to talk to the boys because she couldnt get my son to calm down after an arguement they had. i had to remind her that she took it as a threat when i called it down the middle as far as what the boys did wrong and what she was doing to provoke them. so, i decided that i wouldnt let her come and go in my life to make me the villian and i limited her contact with me. i dont address her when i see her either. another example ; our kids played baseball last year and i already had a meeting with the coaches so when she got to the first game i disregarded the past and introduced her simply as the kids mom and gave out everyones name and introduction. the first thing she said to everyone, that she just met ,was
'We are NOT together i want you to know that'

i was stunned and embarrassed that after the fact she went and made it clear that we had a divorce and ran me down in any way she could. so i personally limit what i say and how i say it to her. again, this goes back to her narcissism as mentioned before. when she had some comfort thinking we had a casual relationship she was ok to deal with but the moment i tell her to watch my boundries i refuse to argue she becomes paranoid and delusional.

with that kind of personality trait i wonder what kind of small issues i would have if i remarried, had more kids or the boys up and decide on their own to move away from her? im going to study up on that narcissism stuff because it fits her to a T
 
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It does sound as if she has NPD Narcisstic Personality Disorder.
Can I ask if she was like this with you before you got married? Did you notice signs of her being this way or did it come when the boys were born?
I have a friend who was married to a Narcissist and their problem was that he just couldn't see that there was any problem. He always came first....even with the children came along he came first...not them.
When she left him he couldn't understand why she left.
Your ex wife probably doesn't even see anything wrong with her behaviour. She may not even realize what she says, how she says things etc.
Does she display any affection to the boys? Was she affectionate with you during your marriage? Narcissists don't display empathy.
If she shows no affection...your boys may feel disconnected with her because the bonding never happened in the first place.
My friend who left her husband....her children have to see him every two weeks and he is not affectionate with them, doesn't play with them. They go and stay with his mother. They hate it. They would rather stay with their mother and her family because they are loving and affectionate.
I feel for your situation and your boys.
I would go back through every text, every thing written down and see if you could possibly build a case to get custody of your boys.
 
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She was like that in our marriage only alittle bitore manipulative. She was unemotional and detavhed from the boys and i for years. The kids would sit I'm the house all week if I didn't take them out side even though she was home watching tv . She wouldnt clean or ne affectionate unless she had her family come over she would put on the show that we were very close and she was supportive . When they would leave she would go back to being a recluse.
Today the kids tell me they are yelled at most of the time for the smallest things and are sent to their room ..I try and give her the benefit of the dount and explain that sometimes adults have bad days and need alone time but there is no mention of affection or hugging or Any of that
 
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Ns can mimic normal affection when they have to, as you say when family is visiting. They cannot sustain it for long, however. Once they have got what they want other people cease to exist for them, and they will not take care of them. Ns make terrible parents.

I would avoid using the term NPD, because only a doctor can diagnose, and she is highly unlikely to agree to see one. But you can talk about narcissistic traits, and list them. Chances are you will have a good case, because Ns think they are normal and that everyone else is the same. This is why they can't understand when we ask them to behave differently; they think they are behaving normally and the same as everyone else. N behaviour is normal to them.
 
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I think what CatherineAnne meant is that you can't easily judge whether a person is narcissistic based on whether or not they are affectionate or empathetic----they can mimic that, when necessary. The thing is.....they can't maintain that---they are inconsistent, as once they get what they want---they drop all pretenses.

I've been following this blog....I think you may be interested:

The sociopath’s “loyalty” deficiency
 
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why would she want to paint me as a villian at all? she wanted all of this. i begged her to work this out before she left and she said no. she said she wanted out , didnt want a dime from me and i could see the kids any time i wanted. well she took as much money as possible in court keeps the kids from me and is doing all she can to attack me to anyone that would listen when i left HER ALONE!


Would it really surprise you to know that a woman who was unfaithfull during her marriage told a lie or two?

IF you are paying child support-if SHE looses the kids, her income stops, as does any tax credits (like earned income) or public assistance etc.

Basicly she just sounds IMMATURE. and perhaps she is feeling GUILTY-however that does not mean she can or is ready to accept any responsibility for what happened or is currently happening-thus IF she can find fault with you or continue to BLAME you she does not have to own her actions. This is a pattern of logic if you will for the emotionally immature (operate alot like teenagers). Sorry to say I've seen many a case of it and even have a step-daughter who sounds alot like your ex.

Documentation is a good idea and you have it IF you just keep notes on your phone bills (get itemized billing stmts BF and after the block/changes) print out and stick any emails (which is how I would communicate with her-in writing) from her (print them out) in a file. You may never need them..but later down the road..when the kids are a bit older or for possible court appearances later they just might come in handy.

Being fake has alot to do with HER self esteem and again level of maturity-not alot you can do about that but try to remain calm w/regard to the kids and by no means let her push your buttons. Just remind the kids Mommy has a different life now and may be haviing problems adjusting and let it go. Do not badmouth their Mother to them regardless of her behavior, b/c it could backfire and damage your relationship with the kids. Ignore her whenever possible and keep contact brief and to a minumum. Your replies should always be non-confrontational and non-committal if possible "I'll have to think about that" is a good phrase i find handy when dealing with difficult people. In time it will cease, but I'd bet $$ is in it somewhere or going to be. Hope I'm wrong.

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I have to give credit to where it's due. she's completely mentally broken like suggested in this thread.

we were at our sons baseball game and she was there with her sunglasses , cell phone and all the gimmicks she needs to be apart of the scene..everything except our sons athsma inhaler.

he was on the field running , stopped due to athsma attack. she literally went over to him and pulled him by the collar telling him that HE is making HER look stupid! i stepped in to get him air and help his breathing get undercontrol and she demands he gets into the car. the whole time shes chewing him out about how he embarrassed her and she cant believe this..according to him she continued telling him he embarrassed her like no other. he challenged her about that asking how he can possibly be at fault when HE cant breathe? she didnt like it much so he decided to tell me he now wants to move out and into my home. i dont think it will be that easy
 
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I have to give credit to where it's due. she's completely mentally broken like suggested in this thread.

we were at our sons baseball game and she was there with her sunglasses , cell phone and all the gimmicks she needs to be apart of the scene..everything except our sons athsma inhaler.

he was on the field running , stopped due to athsma attack. she literally went over to him and pulled him by the collar telling him that HE is making HER look stupid! i stepped in to get him air and help his breathing get undercontrol and she demands he gets into the car. the whole time shes chewing him out about how he embarrassed her and she cant believe this..according to him she continued telling him he embarrassed her like no other. he challenged her about that asking how he can possibly be at fault when HE cant breathe? she didnt like it much so he decided to tell me he now wants to move out and into my home. i dont think it will be that easy

:eek: This is terrible. Kids die from asthma attacks.
So in the middle of the night when he has an asthma attack is she just going to ignore it and say,"Go back to bed...you are interrupting my beauty sleep!"? :doh:
Again....make a note of this.
How old is your son again? When can he go before a judge to have his say? This has to make you extremely worried.
I don't blame your son for wanting to get out of there and into your home. He doesn't feel safe. His security levels are not where they should be.
Wow...just wow. She's a piece of work.
 
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Did other parents or the coach hear all she said? Like Beth said.....this is a matter of life and death. She just proved (hopefully in front of witnesses) that she can't be trusted to assist your son when he's having an asthma attack. If there were others near by, that heard what was said, it may be worth it to ask if they could give a written account of what they heard.

I don't think it's a firm age of the child that the courts go by. Like I said earlier.....I don't even have any experience related to what you're going through....but, I did look up the CA law, and it sounds like they will hear out the child's wishes at just about any age. At fourteen, it's mandatory that they give the children's wishes consideration. Since this is such a serious matter.....I really hope you are able to get this before an understanding judge.

Praying for you all.
 
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