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Love is a Verb by DC Talk
Good stuff. Good stuff.
Note: The band is amazing, but this is one of their first songs. The video is so awful it makes you smilePlease do not judge the group by this. I find it enjoyable
Hey Zoey. Thanks. With all the replies, I missed this one. Just saw it.
We are discussing the noun vs verb thing now. You appear to agree with DC Talk....lol
Any other thoughts about what love is??
I believe yes would be the answer, if i understood you correctly.
In the meantime, enjoy watching WW set the record straight ...
Love is many things. It is mostly beyond our comprehension. 1 John 4:8 says: "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
God is love. We can love. But we cannot fully understand the vastness of it. Like God, there are some parts of love that are simply a mystery.
We feel love. We know the term by feeling. We act in love. We do what the Bible tells us to do in love.
But do we truly know what love is? Could you give me a definition for the word that is both a noun and a verb. Both of which are of equal importance.
Love is too important to be defined by humans. It is truly godly in nature. God is love.
I dunno, i dont remember.
Well, for now, I will just let you know I saw this reply. Time has caught me and I must prepare for bed.
Besides, I'm a waiter.......I don't respond right away because I like to think the reply over.
This is relative, though. In one "heated" exchange, I diasbled my brain-mouth filter. But that's all I'll say.....lol
However, somewhere in this thread I "created a definition". It's based on my observations during this study I have been conducting.
So far, myself and two main other posters are in two dialogues about "love defining".
You may not wish to or have the time, but I would suggest backtracking to read the exchanges we've had.
I'd be delighted to know your perspective.
...that's a good one, really. Love doesn't always come 'ready made' in all cases. It's not necessarily 'plug and play.'(Oh goody, I was looking for this reply. Found it!)
When I was asked in return (and it only happened once, which is weird) what I thought love was in 3 words or less, my response was....
"A building process."
Ok. Here we go! ... (...hands wave in the air and voices scream as the roller-coast makes the plunge on the first big dip!)See, during the survey, I made it clear there was no right or wrong answer for the purposes of the survey. Early testing revealed that people thought they were talking a math test or something and feared they'd get it wrong....lol
Once I made that clear, this freed people up to pick words.
But here is something I wrote. It's a raw note on 'the building process' response I gave. But it's a bit long.
I'd like your thoughts on these thoughts I had when I began this study and started making observations based on the responses I received.
No problem; its not as if I'm not also in need of Grammerly myself. But, just getting the ideas down into a workable place is half the battle.Again, it's a bit long, and I have not edited it because I don't usually do that during raw note-taking. So I hope you'll overlook any grammatical errors...
Why is it that when you say this, Seventies Pastiche immediately comes to mind?The Love Study. Notes. P1.
1. What Is Love? What Love Is.
2. Do you understand love?
3. How do you love?
4. Is love a law?
5. Can love ever be a bad (negative) thing? (...of money, etc.)
6. What grammatical part-of-speech is love? (Noun, verb, adjective, etc.)
Love is a building process so I'm gathering materials and ingredients in order to build a Love Boat (think a new Noah's ark) where I will make a Love Cake then serve it to those patients patiently waiting being rewarded for their paitience on our journey to the Love Castle in the Kingdom of Love.
Gift or Right? It may be both simultaneously, but the extent to which it is either one or the other at any given time depend on the relationship or social context involved.So far, it seems to be caring affection or affectionate care based on attraction, connection, relation, and requires patience.
(Compare 5 love languages book.)
Introduction: A Building (predom male). A Process (predom female). Question. Can you describe what love is to you in 3 words or less? How is love made? Or what "makes love"...what it truly is?
Types of Love: (Applications: From & To. For & Towards. Passive & Active. Bred-by & Based-on. Separate into numbered list of God, Others, & Self.)
1. Religious - God, Gods, Goddesses
2. Familial - Parents, Siblings, Ext-Relatives
3. Parental - Children
4. Social - Friends, Associates
5. Romantic - Spouse
6. General - Strangers
Grammatical Designations:
1. Noun - passive - feeling love
2. Verb - active - performing love
Love Levels (Grades):
1. Beginner - B1, B2, B3
2. Intermediate - IM1, IM2, IM3
3. Expert - E1, E2, E3
4. Master - M1, M2, M3, M4
5. Grandmaster - G1, G2, G3
Thought: Good affectionn based on attraction is love. Evil affection based on attraction is lust?
Love is a noun and verb, passive and/or active.
Bumper sticker read: Love is for-giving. (Me: So learn how to love. It will be painful but worth the time it will take.)
If you had to choose between these two: Fruit or vegetable?
Steps To Love, my understanding:
1. Quiet patience (James "swift to hear" scripture, 1 Corinthians 13 "longsuffering" 1st characteristic.)
Below are the biblical natures, qualities, elements, characteristics, ingredients, components, materials and products of Love.
Find scripture story that displays 'love' characteristic for below section.
Composition - Scripture (O.T.):
1. Genesis Chapter 3 - patience, mercy, not easily provoked
Message Translation (O.T.):
1.
Composition - Scripture (N.T.):
1.
Message Translation (N.T.):
1. James 1:19-20
(Compare 'falling in lust' vs 'walking in love'. My S.O.S. nif - or shortsaying on attraction distraction.)
Recent Blog. Love: Gift or Right? (add here?)
Interesting insight.My Love Foundation Theory: Patience leads to attraction leads to affection.
Awesome idea.The Perfect Coda - The code to the secret ingredient to the making of love is summed up in something Someone Once Said. "At the core of the heart of the Divine inNAture of the beings of the emotion is, if you're not lovin'...you're hatin'. That is all."
Simultaneous. Yes, I think so too.Seperate what love makes from what love takes (double meaning) and from what takes love from what makes love. Then redo list.
Contrast Love to Lust.
(7-10-15) In reference to above...the realization of being confused. Thinking one is in lo-ve (pronounciation) when really in lu-st. The lo- and lu- sounds dragged out like a drawl...so one is in loooo-ve or one is in luuuu-st.
Love and Lust appear to be Twins of Attraction. Which means they're connected. But with one being Good and the other being Evil. They also appear to be Twins of Emotion. So how do you tell them apart?
So far, 'love' seems to be 4 surface things - affection, attraction, caring, connection - and requires 1 foundational thing - "patients". Alphanumeric this for ease of memory.
(Learned.) Patience is the foundation of love. But "patients" have limits. Since we're all connected, whether creation or evolution, theist or atheist we must be patient. If you don't be patient you will never have patience. And if you don't have patience you will never be patient.
But one can't do what one doesn't know. Thus, the burden of patience in relation to love falls on those with its knowledge. If you know this love, you owe this love. But you can demand it from others who kniw it as well. And if you don't know if they know....be patient. Show....then tell.
Love is a condition because it has a definition. So what is a condition? (Explain.) Is Love simultaneously conditional and unconditional? For instance, conditional in its Passive-Noun state, but unconditional in its Active-Verb performance? Love is Passive-Passion and Active-Action.
...that wasn't one of those Borg episodes, was it?Love is the cure, not a disease. (Trek VGR episode) Love is the cure, lust is the disease. Love is the cure to the lust disease.
yeah, I suppose that is the pay-off of lust...Building Lust is easy. Fast. Viral like a virus. And people like speed which is why lust is so attractive. Which is why a virus has no antonym. But it has an antidote.
Well, Gos, it seems you've got quite the general 'taxonomy' in the works here. There's lots to think about in this raw material. In just reading through this post, I felt some concepts expanding in my head..... (Love Cake, anyone?)Love is the cure to lust. But building Love is hard. Slow. Takes time. Cural (opposed to viral) like an antidote. Love is fast knowledge combined with slow wisdom.
Watching people "fight" over what love is may happen as site goes up. It will be like a sport. Some may only watch, others will likely play. But better, rather a "fight" than a war. (This note of realization/revelation came about because Ball Toss gamesport creation and mindset and updating Calena Edghill about side. In the end, I said, "make Facebook page, combine with blogspot...and let them have at it!") Bringing to mind this realization right under my nose...lol.
Reading through this I think I have stumbled upon why you and I don't seem to be able to communicate. My understanding of Biblical Love is based on what the Bible tells us about Love and yours is based on what man tells you they believe the Biblical Love to be. This difference in premise will cause some problems because man is only capable of understanding man love whereas God is capable of understanding all Love thus if we want to know and understand Biblical Love at all the only source we can go to is scripture.(Oh goody, I was looking for this reply. Found it!)
When I was asked in return (and it only happened once, which is weird) what I thought love was in 3 words or less, my response was....
"A building process."
See, during the survey, I made it clear there was no right or wrong answer for the purposes of the survey. Early testing revealed that people thought they were talking a math test or something and feared they'd get it wrong....lol
Once I made that clear, this freed people up to pick words.
But here is something I wrote. It's a raw note on 'the building process' response I gave. But it's a bit long.
I'd like your thoughts on these thoughts I had when I began this study and started making observations based on the responses I received.
Again, it's a bit long, and I have not edited it because I don't usually do that during raw note-taking. So I hope you'll overlook any grammatical errors...
The Love Study. Notes. P1.
1. What Is Love? What Love Is.
2. Do you understand love?
3. How do you love?
4. Is love a law?
5. Can love ever be a bad (negative) thing? (...of money, etc.)
6. What grammatical part-of-speech is love? (Noun, verb, adjective, etc.)
Love is a building process so I'm gathering materials and ingredients in order to build a Love Boat (think a new Noah's ark) where I will make a Love Cake then serve it to those patients patiently waiting being rewarded for their paitience on our journey to the Love Castle in the Kingdom of Love.
So far, it seems to be caring affection or affectionate care based on attraction, connection, relation, and requires patience.
(Compare 5 love languages book.)
Introduction: A Building (predom male). A Process (predom female). Question. Can you describe what love is to you in 3 words or less? How is love made? Or what "makes love"...what it truly is?
Types of Love: (Applications: From & To. For & Towards. Passive & Active. Bred-by & Based-on. Separate into numbered list of God, Others, & Self.)
1. Religious - God, Gods, Goddesses
2. Familial - Parents, Siblings, Ext-Relatives
3. Parental - Children
4. Social - Friends, Associates
5. Romantic - Spouse
6. General - Strangers
Grammatical Designations:
1. Noun - passive - feeling love
2. Verb - active - performing love
Love Levels (Grades):
1. Beginner - B1, B2, B3
2. Intermediate - IM1, IM2, IM3
3. Expert - E1, E2, E3
4. Master - M1, M2, M3, M4
5. Grandmaster - G1, G2, G3
Thought: Good affectionn based on attraction is love. Evil affection based on attraction is lust?
Love is a noun and verb, passive and/or active.
Bumper sticker read: Love is for-giving. (Me: So learn how to love. It will be painful but worth the time it will take.)
If you had to choose between these two: Fruit or vegetable?
Steps To Love, my understanding:
1. Quiet patience (James "swift to hear" scripture, 1 Corinthians 13 "longsuffering" 1st characteristic.)
Below are the biblical natures, qualities, elements, characteristics, ingredients, components, materials and products of Love.
Find scripture story that displays 'love' characteristic for below section.
Composition - Scripture (O.T.):
1. Genesis Chapter 3 - patience, mercy, not easily provoked
Message Translation (O.T.):
1.
Composition - Scripture (N.T.):
1.
Message Translation (N.T.):
1. James 1:19-20
(Compare 'falling in lust' vs 'walking in love'. My S.O.S. nif - or shortsaying on attraction distraction.)
Recent Blog. Love: Gift or Right? (add here?)
My Love Foundation Theory: Patience leads to attraction leads to affection.
The Perfect Coda - The code to the secret ingredient to the making of love is summed up in something Someone Once Said. "At the core of the heart of the Divine inNAture of the beings of the emotion is, if you're not lovin'...you're hatin'. That is all."
Seperate what love makes from what love takes (double meaning) and from what takes love from what makes love. Then redo list.
Contrast Love to Lust.
(7-10-15) In reference to above...the realization of being confused. Thinking one is in lo-ve (pronounciation) when really in lu-st. The lo- and lu- sounds dragged out like a drawl...so one is in loooo-ve or one is in luuuu-st.
Love and Lust appear to be Twins of Attraction. Which means they're connected. But with one being Good and the other being Evil. They also appear to be Twins of Emotion. So how do you tell them apart?
So far, 'love' seems to be 4 surface things - affection, attraction, caring, connection - and requires 1 foundational thing - "patients". Alphanumeric this for ease of memory.
(Learned.) Patience is the foundation of love. But "patients" have limits. Since we're all connected, whether creation or evolution, theist or atheist we must be patient. If you don't be patient you will never have patience. And if you don't have patience you will never be patient.
But one can't do what one doesn't know. Thus, the burden of patience in relation to love falls on those with its knowledge. If you know this love, you owe this love. But you can demand it from others who kniw it as well. And if you don't know if they know....be patient. Show....then tell.
Love is a condition because it has a definition. So what is a condition? (Explain.) Is Love simultaneously conditional and unconditional? For instance, conditional in its Passive-Noun state, but unconditional in its Active-Verb performance? Love is Passive-Passion and Active-Action.
Love is the cure, not a disease. (Trek VGR episode) Love is the cure, lust is the disease. Love is the cure to the lust disease.
Building Lust is easy. Fast. Viral like a virus. And people like speed which is why lust is so attractive. Which is why a virus has no antonym. But it has an antidote.
Love is the cure to lust. But building Love is hard. Slow. Takes time. Cural (opposed to viral) like an antidote. Love is fast knowledge combined with slow wisdom.
Watching people "fight" over what love is may happen as site goes up. It will be like a sport. Some may only watch, others will likely play. But better, rather a "fight" than a war. (This note of realization/revelation came about because Ball Toss gamesport creation and mindset and updating Calena Edghill about side. In the end, I said, "make Facebook page, combine with blogspot...and letthem have at it!") Bringing to mind this realization right under my nose...lol.
We are told to be ready to give an answer to what we believe. I am prepared which means I don't need to take a lot of time I just need to trust the Living God that has taught me about Love.Hey there. I haven't given up. I thought you did. You respond so quickly and I take my time so I can take in what's being said.
So as I got to your post about your time being wasted on me, I thought you were done.
There's a reason I don't immediately respond to you. You're going too fast and saying too much. So I speed-read your replies then remove my brain-finger filter.
You're quick to type (talk), slow to read (listen). This isn't being patient, to me.
But I realize the problem.
Anyhoo, I'm glad you're still here. I just play by your rules.....the other ones.
Quick word about enemies. Enemies according to scripture are NOT people we hate but rather people that hate God and the God in us. They are people who persecute, slander, and otherwise act poorly because they hate God and the God they see in us.4. Enemies. My simple answer is, "don't have any. Problem solved." But then I stopped and thought about it. I have this saying about forgiveness. "Forgiveness does one thing and one thing only. It removes the guilty party from the death penalty. That's it." Now, we can "argue" that "definition" in another thread, or even this one. I think it's related to love. But I use this to help me avoid, thus, have no use for enemies. A simple summary of an enemy is someone I hate. But hate is spiritual murder.
(Pausing commentary. Computer acting up. But you can read over the 4 points, and I'll finish later after Wonder Woman and Pizza. Just bought it today.)
It's Biblical/God Love...as previously stated, God is the source of Love without God we simply can't Love with Biblical Love only a mirage of that Love.Gods love is shed in our hearts. Romans 5:5 What is love in this scripture?
exactly but no one here seems to grasp these conceptsLove is many things. It is mostly beyond our comprehension.
1 John 4:8 says: "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
God is love. We can love. But we cannot fully understand the vastness of it. Like God, there are some parts of love that are simply a mystery.
We feel love. We know the term by feeling. We act in love. We do what the Bible tells us to do in love.
But do we truly know what love is? Could you give me a definition for the word that is both a noun and a verb. Both of which are of equal importance.
Love is too important to be defined by humans. It is truly godly in nature. God is love.
According to Scripture Love is truthful even if it hurts....what Love does NOT do is harm. The distinction is very important to our understanding of Love. In fact, if we look at pure undefiled Love...there is nothing that is not exposed when it comes to secrets and truths. The key is to speak those truths in Love which is a purpose/goal as per the first definition I gave you.WOW!! I did NOT think WW would be that level of entertaining!!! There were tears, there were burst-outs of, "YEAH, YES, YES!!!", coupled with fistpumping. There was even a, "YOU GO GIRL!"
You would think I would feel emasculated.....not so much. She was woman, and I smiled at her ROAR!!
I'm all kinds of Geeking out right now....lol
But I did see the "love conquering all" thing coming, though.
However, it leads back to this love study and one other thing I noticed about love, the human variety...
Those who will lie to those they love and call it protection. But who does it really protect??? If it protects at all.
So, tough question:
If faced with telling a painful truth vs telling a pleasurable lie to a person you have a deep, caring, and passionate affection for (and I WILL finish that passion commentary...lol), which would you do?
Reading through this I think I have stumbled upon why you and I don't seem to be able to communicate. My understanding of Biblical Love is based on what the Bible tells us about Love and yours is based on what man tells you they believe the Biblical Love to be. This difference in premise will cause some problems because man is only capable of understanding man love whereas God is capable of understanding all Love thus if we want to know and understand Biblical Love at all the only source we can go to is scripture.
We are told to be ready to give an answer to what we believe. I am prepared which means I don't need to take a lot of time I just need to trust the Living God that has taught me about Love.
lol all I would say on the topic would fill several books. However, you never once showed an understanding that there are two kinds of love being talked about which is where you and I are having communication problems. Remember when I asked you to respond to what I said and you did nothing to reflect an understanding of the two different loves only that your definition included passion...?We've been communicating. I realized early on that you were speaking strictly from a scriptural perspective. I never said that directly because I wanted to "see" all you would say.
I'm still waiting for you to say anything that reflects what I said about the differences between the two loves...still waiting...And as I have been saying, I was paying attention. But once you said I wasn't grasping, this was your belief and nothing I would say would change that. I know because I tried. So...I just waited.
Love perseveres...I had a woman once tell me that no one could Love like I do. It gets me in a lot of trouble sometimes but I do live what I preach as much as is possible.Granted, I likely didn't help with some of my replies, but I figured you'd do one of two things: just give up and stop or persevere and keep going. I had no idea which one. But I knew one thing....I didn't want you to leave and stop. I needed everything you said.
he does good enough without your help. Just for the record, all I asked from you was some sign that you understood that there was a difference between worldly love and Biblical Love and I am still waiting for that evidence that you understand.At least twice I thought you were fed up and done! But.....you kept going. I was impressed. The "devil needed and advocate", so I took the job.
Even the strict Biblical view should include an understanding of worldly love and how they differ, why they differ, etc.But overall, you exhibited love in the Biblical way by your actions.
The one thing I couldn't convey, though, was that I didn't have the luxury of just the Biblical view, even though I'm threading in a Christian Forum.
there are not as many similarities as you might think but I am about to leave so that is a discussion for another time. If you noticed in my posts I talked about both loves so not sure why you would think I don't agree that we should talk about both.As much as we may not like or agree, non-Christians, or "man" have their view of love, and I think it only fair to display their version of it, because for one, there are similarities.
see, here is where you are wrong. Man's love has emotion/affection at it's core whereas Biblical Love has at it's core humility. Huge difference. We evidence this in several ways not the least of which is "Love your enemies".If you remove all the descriptive verbs and adjectives, both "man" love and Biblical love have "affection" at its core.
this one I want to come back to when I have more time...I know what I want to say but lack the time to say it effectively. If I forget please remind me.But when it comes to verbing love, they branch off in opposite directions. For example....
When it comes to protection as a result of someone loved, "man" will lie to the loved one(s). And it's usually to avoid some level of causing or experiencing pain that the truth would cause.
Again, not sure I will get back to it tonight but hopefully tomorrow we can talk about the truthfulness of Love.But God will not lie to protect. At least, not that I have read or experienced. From my understanding, God protects by telling the truth, no matter how much pain it will cause.
If I'm seeing clearly, then at least the main reason would be because lies don't truly protect.
But....I could be wrong.
2PhiloVoid......You know, I realized this earlier, and I laughed by little tushy off. But your "handle"....depending on the perspective, can mean...
"Empty of love, twice." That sucks.
"Two Loves, empty." That also sucks.
"Empty of love, twice." That's a whole new version of sucking.
Philo....Greek for Love
Void....English for Empty
2....drinks of something strong seriously needed.
Ok, I'm done...on to the reply....LOL!!!
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