What is it called when all denominations agree on a doctrine, and which doctrines do all denominations agree with?

[Mark Quayle]

They exist to perpetuate untruths.
They will fail.

The thought comes to me —seems they do that a lot, and usually off topic! This fact you state, axiomatic even, reflects on the fallen nature of man: The "mind of the flesh" (Rom. 8) is that vile to God, what we think is just natural, is in fact with every breath evil, unless God has birthed us from above, giving us the "mind of the Spirit".

We assume that the lost are still able to do good works, and in one respect, it is true. But all their works are done from an evil mind, per Romans 8, and from death (Spiritual) per Ephesians 2. Thus, their works are not good, but still evil, in that respect.

Here you describe those who "exist to perpetuate untruths", yet if you were to interview them, you might think them sincere and open minded and intellectually honest—they certainly think themselves that! But they themselves may not even know that they exist to perpetuate untruths! —Yet, that doesn't change the fact that they speak from an evil heart.

 

[RandyPNW]

Are we window shopping? We are suppose to become one with God. (singularity)

"We see God as holy, as love, as righteous. as just" is not "window shopping!" I don't know what makes you think it is? Is this "window shopping:"

Heb 2.9 but we see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by God’s grace he would experience death on behalf of everyone.

As I've said elsewhere, we are not to be confused with God's *identity.* But we do partake of the "divine nature." That is, by the grace of Christ we are able to participate in his holy attributes, including his love and compassion.

 

[Hoping2]

The thought comes to me —seems they do that a lot, and usually off topic! This fact you state, axiomatic even, reflects on the fallen nature of man: The "mind of the flesh" (Rom. 8) is that vile to God, what we think is just natural, is in fact with every breath evil, unless God has birthed us from above, giving us the "mind of the Spirit".

We assume that the lost are still able to do good works, and in one respect, it is true. But all their works are done from an evil mind, per Romans 8, and from death (Spiritual) per Ephesians 2. Thus, their works are not good, but still evil, in that respect.

Here you describe those who "exist to perpetuate untruths", yet if you were to interview them, you might think them sincere and open minded and intellectually honest—they certainly think themselves that! But they themselves may not even know that they exist to perpetuate untruths! —Yet, that doesn't change the fact that they speak from an evil heart.

Sad...isn't it ?
May God be praised for giving the reborn a new mind !

 

[ViaCrucis]

First question is, what doctrines must be believed in order for a denomination to be considered Christian?

The bare minimum is the Nicene Creed.

And what denominations would not be considered Christian.

Any group that rejects the Nicene Creed.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Diamond72]

I don't know what makes you think it is? Is this "window shopping:"

You kept says: we see, we see, we see.
So that is why If all your doing is looking
then you must be window shopping.

 

[RandyPNW]

You kept says: we see, we see, we see.
So that is why If all your doing is looking
then you must be window shopping.

No, I never window shop. Seeing is a gift from God when you're looking at divine revelation.

 

[Clare73]

It is said that when an object is before many, each one sees something different--a different aspect, from a different angle, from different starting points, presuppositions, influences, etc. But in the history of human experience with God there can only be one experience, and one common background in sin.

We see God as holy, as love, as righteous. as just. Otherwise, God can judge no one, since nobody can see the truth about what God is like and who He is. No matter our background and angle of view, we see God for who He is, and either receive that revelation or reject and oppose that revelation.
So in the history of orthodox doctrine, it comes down to our experience of God judged with respect to truths that determine human behavior. But all of those differences do play a part, along with our sin and imperfections.

And so, orthodox doctrine is a bit of a war at times, particularly since even those who see refuse to see and wish to oppose truth. Those then who are susceptible to evil influences must be fought for and stood in for. We cannot avoid this war.

But God has set up kinds of signposts to guide the way for the wise, to those who God has chosen to aid in this cause. And many indeed are being saved from their errors, including ourselves, since we are all to some degree susceptible to error.

There is no true "seeing" him apart from believing and obeying him.
It's not about "seeing," it's about believing, trusting, obeying and knowing him.

In Biblical doctrine it comes down to the sovereign rebirth of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5), without which no one can even see the kingdom of God, much less enter it and know him.

It's about being born of God through his Holy Spirit, whereby we become sons of God in a personal spiritual relationship with him of love, obedience, trust, fellowship and growth in the knowledge of him, through his Holy Spirit in the word written.

 

[RandyPNW]

There is no true "seeing" him apart from believing and obeying him.
It's not about "seeing," it's about believing, trusting, obeying and knowing him.

In Biblical doctrine it comes down to the sovereign rebirth of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5), without which no one can even see the kingdom of God, much less enter it and know him.

It's about being born of God through his Holy Spirit, whereby we become sons of God in a personal spiritual relationship with him of love, obedience, trust, fellowship and growth in the knowledge of him, through his Holy Spirit in the word written.

Yes, but you even admit that we should "see the Kingdom," right? If you don't think we should "see Jesus," then why the Scripture verse that I suggested play a role in this argument?

Heb 2.9 but we see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by God’s grace he would experience death on behalf of everyone.

And so, we must indeed "see Jesus," even though I agree that it begins with faith in what He is trying to show us is the basis for our Salvation. Unless we have a revelation 1st, there will be nothing for us to "believe in," and so be Saved.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, but you even admit that we should "see the Kingdom," right? If you don't think we should "see Jesus," then why the Scripture verse that I suggested play a role in this argument?

Heb 2.9 but we see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by God’s grace he would experience death on behalf of everyone.

And so, we must indeed "see Jesus," even though I agree that it begins with faith in what He is trying to show us is the basis for our Salvation. Unless we have a revelation 1st, there will be nothing for us to "believe in," and so be Saved.

"See" is more than eye sight.
See is understand.

Scripture is our revelation from God.
We find it all there in illumination by the Holy Spirit.

 

[RandyPNW]

"See" is more than eye sight.
See is understand.

Scripture is our revelation from God.
We find it all there in illumination by the Holy Spirit.

What made you think I intended to say anything different? Could it be that you "jumped the gun?"

 

[concretecamper]

First question is, what doctrines must be believed in order for a denomination to be considered Christian? And what denominations would not be considered Christian.

There is no doctrine one must believe to be called a Christian. The Sacrament of Baptism makes one a Christian. Of course there is the secular word Christian, and in order to fit that mold, you'll receive many different criteria.

 

[The Liturgist]

First question is, what doctrines must be believed in order for a denomination to be considered Christian? And what denominations would not be considered Christian.

The Nicene Creed and a rejection of certain related heresies like Gnosticism, Adoptionism, Apollinarianism, Pnuematomachianism, and most churches would add Quietism and Ethnophyletism to the list.

 

[The Liturgist]

The bare minimum is the Nicene Creed.



Any group that rejects the Nicene Creed.

-CryptoLutheran

Indeed, in its 381 recension adopted at the Second Ecumenical Synod in New Rome - Constantinopolis, in the Year of our Lord 381 during the Consulate of Flavius Syagrius and Flavius Eucherius, under the reign of Emperor St. Theodosius I, the first Christian emperor since the repose of St. Constantine in 338 AD.