What is it about forgiveness?

[filosofer]

You beat me to it, Filo.

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Great minds think alike.
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[DaRev]

Das ist am meinsten sicher wahr!

 

[mrshoperose]

Das ist am meinsten sicher wahr!

Are you German?

 

[filosofer]

Are you German?

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No, he is Irish, but learned a cool German phrase.
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[mrshoperose]

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No, he is Irish, but learned a cool German phrase.
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Aah! Did you teach it to him?

 

[BakaFidelis]

Ich bin ein berliner...

mmmm jelly donuts... gurgle...

 

[mrshoperose]

Ich bin ein berliner...

mmmm jelly donuts... gurgle...

Huh?

 

[BakaFidelis]

Huh?

Meh... sorry

It is a German joke... You see, when JFK made his famous speech in Germany in 1963, his opening words were "Ich bin ein Berliner."

What he was trying to say was "I am a Berliner" to show unity. Except he should have said, "Ich bin Berliner," without the ein/a. By putting it in, he was saying that he was a thing, and of course, Germany has what roughly amounts to a jelly donut that is called a berliner.

So... yes. He called himself a Jelly Donut.

Yes it is a sidetrack I know, but I can't help it ! heh

 

[mrshoperose]

Meh... sorry

It is a German joke... You see, when JFK made his famous speech in Germany in 1963, his opening words were "Ich bin ein Berliner."

What he was trying to say was "I am a Berliner" to show unity. Except he should have said, "Ich bin Berliner," without the ein/a. By putting it in, he was saying that he was a thing, and of course, Germany has what roughly amounts to a jelly donut that is called a berliner.

So... yes. He called himself a Jelly Donut.

Yes it is a sidetrack I know, but I can't help it ! heh

Ah, you are nuts!

 

[BakaFidelis]

Ah, you are nuts!

I do prefer the term "baka" thank you!

 

[mrshoperose]

I do prefer the term "baka" thank you!

Okay,

....

Uh, I mean baka!

 

[walloffire]

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[LilLamb219]

And, what exactly is your point with the scripture you've quoted?

 

[DaRev]

Does he need a point?

 

[BakaFidelis]

Thanks be to God!

Thank you for the universal Church and the Spirit that leads her. Thanks also for giving the denomination we follow a good and well understanding of scripture and for the men who shepard us. Thank you also for the fellowship of other loving Christians.

AMEN!

 

[RadMan]

At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
(John 16:26-28)

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Mat 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Church, o church, where is your belief

From Kretzmann's Commentary John 10:31-38

The Jews accuse Jesus of blasphemy: V. 31. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. V. 32. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from My Father; for which of those works do ye stone Me? V. 33. The Jews answered Him, saying, For a good work we stone Thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that Thou, being a man, makest Thyself God. V. 34. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods? V. 35. If He called them gods unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken, V. 36. say ye of Him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? V. 37. If I do not the works of My Father, believe Me not. V. 38. But if I do, though ye believe not Me, believe the works; that ye may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.

With growing indignation and resentment the Jews had listened to the statements which Jesus made concerning Himself, until He reached the climax in the declaration of the essential unity of Himself and the Father. Here they could no longer contain themselves. This seemed to them the essence of blasphemy that this man should say He was one with God. And so they took up stones in order to punish Him for His supposed blasphemy, Lev. 24, 14-16, as they had attempted to do once before, chap. 8, 59. But a further word from Jesus arrested their murderous action. He reminded them of the fact that He had shown them many good works which gave evidence of the authority of the Father; which of these was it that deserved stoning? The Jews answered as they saw the situation. They had no objection to His works, to His miracles, as such. But their belief was that He was a mere man, and as such it was blasphemy for Him to , arrogate to Himself the Sonship of God. From: their blind standpoint they were right: it was blasphemy for a man to claim equality with God, or deity for Himself, Deut. 18,20; Lev.14, 10-17. The modern unbelieving teachers that deny the unity of essence of Father and Son on the ground that this is not taught in Scriptures are blinder than the Jews were in this instance. But Jesus here proves to the Jews that His claim was no blasphemy, by referring to Pa. 82, 6. If the leaders of the people, through whom the Word of God was delivered to the Jews, were called gods, how much more does He deserve the designation who was separated, ordained, hallowed, and sent out by God for this work which He was now performing? In bringing this proof, the Lord states an axiom for the inerrancy of Scriptures which needs particular emphasis in our days: The Scripture cannot be dissolved, cannot be broken, cannot be put aside; it must ever stand unchallenged, word for word, as the eternal truth of God. In the case of the Old Testament teachers, the commission of God usually found them engaged in the works of their earthly calling, from which they were raised to their new dignity and received the honoring appellation, but Jesus was set apart by the Father from eternity for the work of salvation, and He was now performing the works of the Father, such works as in themselves are evidence that the Father is in Him and He in the Father. That is the eternal relation in the Trinity between Father and Son: the Son is in the Father and the Father in the Son. This relation has not been set aside by the incarnation of the Son, but was exhibited in the miracles and in all the works which Jesus did. If the Jews therefore chose not to believe His words, they could not deny the evidence of His works. The testimony of His deeds was overwhelmingly strong in establishing the fact of the intimate relationship between Him and the Father, just as He had stated. Note: There is no possibility of weakening the force of this argument but by asserting that the miracles of Jesus did not take place by the power of God. But that would place Jesus in the class of base deceivers and cheats, a conclusion which even the most liberal teachers hesitate to make.

 

[Tofferer]

WOW! I had never thought of that before. Thanks.