What is ID?

[Kenny'sID]

But ... but ... didn't they replace Him with good education: like s_x education, where everyone gets a condom and a cucumber; quieting reflex and success imagery; progressive relaxation (hypnosis); and evolution?

Yes, more than ample replacement for the almighty....especially if they were into the future chaos it brings.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nobody committed suicide playing D&D.

Oh ... ya ... I forgot.

It would give the university a bad reputation, or lower the resale value of a home, wouldn't it?

Instead, let's claim "diminished capacity."

We don't want anyone to get sued, do we?

 

[Kenny'sID]

They've never tried to hide anything--it's all in their published materials.

Good, then what's the problem?

God was never removed from the schools. Enforced Protestant Fundamentalist prayer and Bible study were removed from the schools and both the schools and the country as a whole are the better for it.

Please.

You think that teaching evolution as science in the public schools is an equivalent infringement of our liberties as a totalitarian dictatorship would be?

Are you referring to biblical values/Gods expectations of us as a totalitarian dictatorship?

BTW, you twisted my point, or just slipped around it...and it still remains, why one and not the other when neither in the mind of the other has been proven?

 

[Speedwell]

Are you referring to biblical values/Gods expectations of us as a totalitarian dictatorship?

When one particular sect's version of it is imposed by the power of the state, yes, that's exactly what it is.

BTW, you twisted my point, or just slipped around it...and it still remains, why one and not the other when neither in the mind of the other has been proven?

No, there is a complete lack of equivalency which renders your point moot.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, more than ample replacement for the almighty....especially if they were into the future chaos it brings.

what if other kids in that public school are not of your religion? Would it just be tough luck for them?

 

[AV1611VET]

what if other kids in that public school are not of your religion?

They might end up getting saved one day.

 

[Colter]

A Jehovah Witness once explained to me "school is for reading, writing and arithmetic, we will teach religion at home."

 

[bhsmte]

They might end up getting saved one day.

Or not.

 

[bhsmte]

A Jehovah Witness once explained to me "school is for reading, writing and arithmetic, we will teach religion at home."

For some though, that isnt enough. They need to have their personal faith beliefs in public schools as well and others who dont believe as they do, exposed to them.

 

[Speedwell]

They might end up getting saved one day.

Many of them are Christians, and saved already.

When I was young, I always went to Vacation Bible School. One year our church didn't have one for some reason and so I was sent to the Methodists. The Methodist pastor had hired an itinerant couple to run it (as is a common pattern, I understand--that's how Jim and Tammy Faye got started) but he hadn't vetted them as carefully as he should have. We learned the most astonishing things: about the Tribulation, the Rapture, that the Earth was only 6000 years old, etc. When we got home and told our parents all the lurid stuff we learned about you can be sure the telephone lines started burning up and the Vacation Bible School was canceled. And the poor Methodist pastor had to endure being the butt of that joke for years.

But can you imagine trying that on the scale of the public school system?

 

[AV1611VET]

Many of them are Christians, and saved already.

Yup ... they prioritized.

 

[AV1611VET]

A Jehovah Witness once explained to me "school is for reading, writing and arithmetic, we will teach religion at home."

Them days is gawn.

 

[Kenny'sID]

When one particular sect's version of it is imposed by the power of the state, yes, that's exactly what it is.

And what is this sects version? See, in order to know if this is a problem I have to know if that version is something radical or if it is pretty much the norm of what people think the bible means. And we just can't hide behind the version or the "that's the way you understand it" thing. I'd have to know if it's a biblical version or not. Just indicating it is not, isn't going to help the argument. actually, if I may, it's kind of a cop out.

No, there is a complete lack of equivalency which renders your point moot.

I could easily say anything you have said here is moot because I say it is, as that is essentially what you are doing with that comment, but I won't, because I just saw how it would make me look.

 

[Kenny'sID]

what if other kids in that public school are not of your religion? Would it just be tough luck for them?

That goes both ways, what would you suggest? I'm, willing to listen. Surely there is an easy fix for that.

 

[doubtingmerle]

no. its depend on what creatures we are talking about. if we take the fossils in the tetrapod transition: they are clearly cant prove evolution. so if we are talking about transitions between different creatures, they cant prove evolution. but if we are talking about basically the same creature (wolf vs dog for instance) then its possible that they are a real transitionals fossils.

Ok, I was asking specifically about the horse series. That is obvious from the picture I posted and the specific questions I asked. Do you or do you not think that the modern horse and zebra evolved from an animal like the Hyracortherium? You refuse to answer. You have evaded and weaved and pretend you are answering. You are not. Sometimes you talk as though Hyracotherium and zebra are so close, they could marry and have children. Other times you speak as though they are completely different "kinds" with no relationship.

Are zebra and hyracotherium the same "kind". You will refuse to answer, yes? You only pretend to answer, yes?

If you think they are the same "kind", then it is obvious from the fossil record that evolution ocurred. Else how can you explain that the fossils of that "kind" change progressively over millions of years?

But if you think they are different "kinds", then one wonders how all those different "kinds" got created over millions of years. Did God make a new "kind" of horse every million years or so from scratch, making it pop into existance out of nothing? If that is what God has kept on doing for many years, how do you know he won't do it again? How do you know that tomorrow you will not suddenly see a new horse "kind" pop into existance out of nothing in front of you?

But as you have evaded such questions in the last thread and this thread, and have nothing to say, I am done with this conversation. Good bye.

 

[bhsmte]

That goes both ways, what would you suggest? I'm, willing to listen. Surely there is an easy fix for that.

Sure, very easy fix. People should simply not expect their personal faith beliefs, to be in schools where other people, of other faiths are present. Whether the faith belief be; muslim, christian, hindu or whatever.

Plenty of opportunity for each person to practice their faith beliefs, in private; church and in their homes.

 

[AV1611VET]

Plenty of opportunity for each person to practice their faith beliefs, in private; church and in their homes.

Like Jesus and Paul did?

 

[Speedwell]

And what is this sects version? See, in order to know if this is a problem I have to know if that version is something radical or if it is pretty much the norm of what people think the bible means. And we just can't hide behind the version or the "that's the way you understand it" thing. I'd have to know if it's a biblical version or not. Just indicating it is not, isn't going to help the argument. actually, if I may, it's kind of a cop out.

I just didn't want to risk getting too personal with anyone's particular beliefs. But what about the Roman Catholics? That's a pretty large segment of the student body in most districts. They won't take well to having their children exposed to Evangelical Protestant doctrine and usages.

 

[Colter]

I went to Bible study class in public school in the 3rd grade in a small town in Virginia, the hometown of Thomas Jefferson ironically. Totally inappropriate! Can anyone imagine that today?

 

[Larniavc]

Oh ... ya ... I forgot.

It would give the university a bad reputation, or lower the resale value of a home, wouldn't it?

Instead, let's claim "diminished capacity."

We don't want anyone to get sued, do we?

I've no idea what you are trying to say.

Please talk plainly.