What is he?

[Sephania]

Yes, thank you, it did blow over after it got very dark and we had another cloud burst, and then we had a spiritual tornado to withstand, but some of our elders were here and prayed with us and now *( at this moment, Baruch HaShem) all is well.

Yes, today is my birthday and get back in here Henaynei, you can have all the virtual B'Day cake you want, it only contains virtual calories!

 

[Sephania]

And y'all else of course! It is Kosher, I checked! and let me get some Kosher Ice cream to go with that!

 

[Henaynei]

And y'all else of course! It is Kosher, I checked! and let me get some Kosher Ice cream to go with that!

LOL - Mazel Tov!!! Don't forget to blow out the candles before you try to eat it!!!

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That should do it!!!​

 

[ShirChadash]

:birthday2!!!!

 

[Netzari5730]

Ok so I want to know what your feelings on God's gender are.

Can you comfortably envision God as a female? Or is God unequivocably male? Or other?

This is from another post but seems to fit in here:

26 ¶ And Elohim said, let Us make Adam in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth.
27 And Elohim created the Adam in His own image; in the image of Elohim He created him. Male and female He created them.
B'reshith/Genesis 1:26-27

Both the male and the female are the Image of Elohim (God). What I am about to write will probably get some flack. I used the title Elohim as a means to reveal something. Despite the grammer involved, and yet using a literal view, I intend to show that Elohim, God, is and yet is not both male and female.

Is, because Elohim is a feminine singular with a masuline plurality. Though in Hebrew grammer, because of the masculine plurality, it is masculine in usage. It comes from the feminine singular Eloah.

Is Not, because "God is a Spirit..." and "Spirit hath not flesh and blood...". Lacking flesh and blood would seem to render the idea of God having any "personal parts" as nonsensical. However, God's Nature comprises of both Masculine and Feminine traits.

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730

 

[shmuel]

Is, because Elohim is a feminine singular with a masuline plurality. Though in Hebrew grammer, because of the masculine plurality, it is masculine in usage. It comes from the feminine singular Eloah.

The word 'eloah, alef-lamed-he is masculine. The final he is consonantal and part of the root. It is not a mater serving as a marker for the feminine. The "a" that appears in 'eloah is not a full vowel. It is a furtive patach, a very brief "a" sound to facilitate pronouncing the he following the "o" sound.

In Hebrew the form of the noun is not the determiner of its gender. The gender of a noun is determined by the adjectives and verbs used with the noun (gender accord). For instance, av (father) has avot (with the regular feminine plural ending) as its plural, but avot is still masculine. On the other hand, 'ishah (woman, wife) has nashim (with the regular masculine plural ending) as its plural, but nashim is still feminine.

S

 

[Buccaneer]

I dunno if someone has said this or not. (have not read it all) But, he manifested Yeshua, therefor if any, he is male as Yeshua, being male was his choice.

 

[Netzari5730]

The word 'eloah, alef-lamed-he is masculine. The final he is consonantal and part of the root. It is not a mater serving as a marker for the feminine. The "a" that appears in 'eloah is not a full vowel. It is a furtive patach, a very brief "a" sound to facilitate pronouncing the he following the "o" sound.

That is true, as far as modern Hebrew is concerned. However, Eloah (Aleph, Lamed, Vav, He as well as Aleph, Lamed, He) was used to indicate feminine diety in ancient days, when they didn't have the usage of Elilah. And Elah, a Chaldee equivalent to Eloah, although used at the time, is now borrowed from the Chaldee, which has become the modern feminine usage of today along with Elilah. It's usage in modern Hebrew as masculine is due to its usage of the One True God throughout scripture. However, Eloah in itself was considered feminine.

When you say: "The "a" that appears in 'eloah is not a full vowel. It is a furtive patach, a very brief "a" sound to facilitate pronouncing the he following the "o" sound." I do not think you are quite correct. I believe that you are thinking of the Chataph Pattach, which is a furtive Pattach, Like a regular Pattach but cut short. The difference between the Pattach and the Kamatz Gadol, isn't the length of pronounciation, but the openness of the vowel pronounciation. The difference being an "Ah" that remains strong until it stops (Kamatz Gadol), and an "Ah" that drops in sound and strength to a stop (Pattach), but the length is the same, one is just lazier than the other.

We are agreed that Elohim is the plural form of the root Eloah, and that Elohey is the possessive plurality of Eloah/Elohim, correct? Here is a scriptural usage of its feminine, as well as some translations that concur with the feminine aspect.

1 M'lakhim 11:5 (also used in verse 33 of this chapter) "Vayelekh' Sh'lomoh acharey Ash'toreth elohey Tzidonim...etc"

Which has been translated as:
"For Sh'lomoh went after Ash'toreth, goddess of the Tzidonim..." (Koren Edition, Jerusalem Bible ~ Very Good translation BTW).
"For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians..." (JPS 1917)
"For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Phonicians..." (JPS 1985 Edition and 1999 Edition)
"And Solomon goeth after Ashtoreth god`dess' of the Zidonians..." (Youngs Literal)
"For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians..." (KJV)
"And Solomon went after Ashtoreth, goddess of the Sidonians..." (JP Green's Lit Trans)

"Feminine nouns have no indication of gender when the word is feminine by nature. And although many words consist of both genders (i.e. Elohim, Avoth...etc), one gender predominates" (Ben Yehudi's Hebrew/English dictionary of modern Hebrew). I am in total agreement with this, but as I have said in my initial post "Despite the grammer (That Elohim is generally used for Masculine plurality) involved, and yet using a literal view (that Elohim consists Literally of Eloah, which is Feminine in nature, and the masc "im" plurality), I intend to show that Elohim, God, is and yet is not both male and female."

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730

 

[shmuel]

'eloah is a masculine noun in Biblical Hebrew. Checkout BDB, pg 43 for a scholarly opinion.

My statement about the furtive patach is correct. It is a patach mark under a final chet, ayin, or consonantal he when they follow a non a-class vowel. It is pronounced before the final consonant and its pronunciation is very brief. Other common examples are the "a" in Yeshua`, Noach and in ruach.

I can look up references to the furtive patach in any number of books if you wish. But if you have a good Hebrew grammar handy I'm sure you can look it up yourself.

 

[shmuel]

Here is a link to a reply on the B-Hebrew list. It is a scholarly discussion of Hebrew.

http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2004-January/017013.html

The relevant quote is:

This is a minor, picky point (well, at least for the sake of this thread it is), but the he at the end of eloah is consonantal. That's why it's written with a mappiq, and that's why it generates a furtive patach. (That's also why it appears in forms with endings added, like elohim, for instance). It should therefore be written in any transcription system that I know of.

 

[shmuel]

And another reference:

http://shamash3.shamash.org/listarchives/mail-jewish/volume28/v28n65

Toward the bottom we read:

A number of respondents have alluded to a required insertion of an alef ginuvoh before the final gutteral hey in the pronunciation of god's name (after the paradigm of lu'ach"), i.e. suggesting "elo'ah" rather than "elo'ha" generally and allegedly mistakenly employed by the great unwashed.

Thus R. Schultz: One case where the mappiq *does* make a difference -and one that is almost universally not pronounced correctly -- is the word "eloah" (God). The root is aleph-lamedh-heh, and the patach under the heh is a "furtive patach" and R. Rubinoff also note: a final hay with a mappik and a patach under it should *not*be pronounced "ha". This is still a final hay that comes after the vowel, just as a patach under a final chet is prounounced before the chet (i.e. "ach" rather than "cha") and Y. Poch: etter, not after, as in "luach". The most common occurrence of a heh in this case is the word "elo'ah" at the end of the second paragraph of Hallel.

 

[shmuel]

And another:

http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/parsha/klarberg/archives/haazinu61.htm

Another reading point

Vayitosh a-loahh asahu ('and [the nation] abandoned G-d who made it') (Deut. 32:15). In the last syllable of G-d's name, the Lamed has a Holam and the He has a Patah and a dot in it called a Mapik. The Patah is a Patah Genuva, a stolen or furtive Patah. This vowel sign is unusual, in that it is read before the consonant with which it is associated. This is not a peculiarity of the Divine Name, it is a regular part of articulatory Hebrew phonetics. The rule states that after the vowels Holam, Shuruk, Tserei, and long Hirik, the letters He, Het, and Ayin, have a Patah, and the Patah is pronounced before that final letter as though it had stolen its way in furtively. This is because He, Het, and Ayin are guttural sounds and so are pronounced more easily with Patah which is a back vowel.

 

[Netzari5730]

Shmuel,
Plain and simple, Eloah (Aleph, Lamed, Vav, He) is Feminine, and Elohim by itself is a Feminine singular with a Masculine plurality, just as Ruach is also feminine in nature. Ask anyone who was raised speaking Hebrew, and I am certain you will find many who will agree with this statement, as well as some, like yourself, who disagree. It is what I have been taught by my late teacher who was raised speaking the Hebrew Language. Although I do not have any links to my disposal, there are, I'm sure, many out there that would confirm this. I know from what I have learned of the Sefer Y'tzirah, Bahir and Zohar, that Eloah is Feminine. (Granted, these works are of no value to believers in Yeshua, but they still reflect the understanding of those who wrote them and accepted them as commentary and doctrine).

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730