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Cronic said:From what I know the Greek patriarchy has excommunicated them except for the monasteries in Mount Athos. However the people here view it as a stricter version of Orthodoxy. Does anyone know what is going on? I'd like to know more, both facts and oppinions, on the issue.
www.goarch.org said:As is always the case with reform movements, there was strong opposition to the adoption of the New Calendar, especially in Greece. What differed in this situation, however, was that reform was initiated by the established Church together with the total backing of the state. Groups of "Old Calendarists" or Palaioemerologitai, refused to abide by the Church's decision and continued to follow the Old Calendar for both movable and immovable feast days. The basis of their refusal to abandon the Old Calendar rested on the argument that canons ratified by an Ecumenical Synod knew only of the Julian Calendar. Therefore, nothing less than an Ecumenical Synod had the authority to institute a reform of such proportion. In view of their refusal to submit to the authority of the Church of Greece, the official Church excommunicated them. This was not the case with the monasteries of Mt. Athos. Although all but one (i.e., 19 monasteries) continued to follow the Old Calendar, they are under the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Constantinople with which they continue to be in communion. Despite attempts by the civil authorities in Greece to suppress them, the "Old Calendarists" continue to exist there and abroad and to maintain a hierarchy of their own together with parishes and monasteries.
ExOrienteLux said:Antiochians are definitely NCs.
-Philip.
ExOrienteLux said:I think Christ and St. John are trying to tell us something.
When were the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington? 11 Sept/29 Aug.
When did Katrina make landfall on the Gulf coast? 29 Aug.
-Philip.
The Old Calendarists have schismed, that is they consider the canonical church in Greece to be without grace. Naturally, the Church of Greece will not commune someone who considers their sacraments to be worthless, not that it was really necessary to excommunicate them since an Old Calendarist would never partake in a canonical church anyway.Cronic said:From what I know the Greek patriarchy has excommunicated them except for the monasteries in Mount Athos.
That it doesn't matter which calendar you are on?ExOrienteLux said:I think Christ and St. John are trying to tell us something.
When were the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington? 11 Sept/29 Aug.
When did Katrina make landfall on the Gulf coast? 29 Aug.
Kolya said:I am Russian Orthodox, and we use the old Julian calendar for all fasts and feasts. To my knowledge it is the Greek aligned churches who use the New Gregorian Calendar, and the Finnish Church. I may be wrong, but I think the OCA uses the Gregorian Calendar too. but the Antiochians are Old (Julian) Calendar. As far as I am concerned, the Greek Church is out of line in using the New Gregorian calendar, but that is only my opinion.
ExOrienteLux said:There's a fairly sizable difference. The Old Calendarists (Palaiomerologitai) schismed from their mother Church over this issue. There are, however, many who believe that the Old Calendar should be reinstated over the whole Orthodox world (myself included) and there are several Churches that still use the Julian Calendar (namely, Russia, Serbia, Jerusalem, and Romania - there's probably more, but I don't remember).
The difference is that one group are schismatics and the other group are canonical Christians who disagree with the hierarchs over their decision.
-Philip.
xristos.anesti said:I belive that institution of the New (Reformed) Calendar was wrong.
I belive that Old Calendar should be re-instituted in the whole of the Orthodox Church.
I belive that going into schism for the sake of calendar is wrong.
xristos.anesti said:Well, we always celebrated Nativity on the 25th. (I am a Serb and our Nativity IS on the 25 Dec. It only falls on the 7 Jan - of the "worldly" calendar; the "Serbian" New Year is on the 14 Jan which is the 1 Dec of the Old Calendar).
Also, the CANONS are in regard to Pascha and not Nativity.
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