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I hope you know I was joking. Okay, maybe that was my work humor.
I didn't know that.
Not if the good is conceived in such a sense where altruism toward another person involves (both creates and is a symptom of) virtuous character. Not sure on the relation to virtue ethics, but along the lines of Camus, doing the right thing can be attributed to beauty: I help others because it is the beautiful thing to do (okay, that actually does sound pretty Aristotelean). To be selfless brings the satisfaction of creating the other person in a beautiful way.
Altruism isn't really my concern so much as things like sympathy and empathy with the suffering and violation of others. I can see why a virtue ethicist would be charitable, but I wonder if they would disregard the suffering of others in the name of 'virtue'. eg: As long as you can justify yourself being virtuous, you don't have to take the pain and choice of others seriously.
Now think of the alternatives: utilitarianism can perhaps be conceived of as Aristotle without virtue ethics, in that it's about maximizing happiness (which for Aristotle is related to virtuous character) without a concern for the character of the ethical person. So now we have deontology. What your position would mean is being ethical and being unhappy. Why would someone choose to act in any pattern of any way that results in their unhappiness? "Because it's the right thing to do" (duty). To me that doesn't stop there; I do the right thing not only because it's "just" the right thing to do, but because the action has a certain beauty to it, even a sort of intuitive appeal to it -- that, after all, is fitting with Aristotle's teleological view associated with virtue: virtue is excellence in the sense that it's the "end" or "goal" of whatever you're applying virtue to. Aristotle would say that any action which encapsulates this "end" or "goal" or telos is beautiful.
Morality being beautiful isn't unique to virtue ethics.
I've got to push this further. Aristotle would hold a person to be of such a virtuous character where altruistic acts in a sense benefit the person committing them -- because this person sees the beauty in the altruistic act he is committing. This beauty coincides with what makes something right, therefore to deontologists what determines our duty; except the deontologists don't consider beauty as part of the equation. Perhaps the dividing difference here with a deontologist and virtue ethicist for any given action is the deontologist would say "duty for the sake of duty," whereas the virtue ethicist would say "not so much duty as a sense of beauty: this action is the better one because it is more virtuous or excellent one, which is a beautiful thing."
I consider the lack of mentioning others quite sad. As long as you are an excellent person, to hell with everyone else.
The problem with torture is that it represents unvirtuous character -- character that isn't "mature" or at the telos of its kind. It so happens that choosing the beautiful or right or virtuous thing also makes the self beautiful or right or virtuous. In a full understanding of virtue ethics, doing the good or virtuous thing is inextricably related to being a good or virtuous person (in specific instances). It's not just about what makes the person happy (which can be a version of consequentialism), or about what is right/duty (which can be a version of deontology); in the virtuous or good ethical choice in any situation, being happy is tied up with doing the right thing: the happiness of perceiving a beautiful action which is also the best action (given that the action fits the telos).
That is such a weak and lacking condemnation of torture. It's bad because it makes the victimizer a bad person? Because the victimizer might feel a little bad about themselves (but might not)? Really? Do you have nothing stronger to say about torture other than how the torturer feels about him/herself?
What about the victim? You don't think the suffering inflicted on the victim is important and absolutely wrong? As I said, it seems such self-centred ethics makes people apathetic towards the victim.
How are you not morally troubled by the suffering? How is that not the problem?
See above. I think with the consequentialist, happiness is considered too atomically -- seen for each situation without considering the continuity of the character of the self which transcends different situations. With deontology, happiness is only at best coincidental with what is right or should be dutifully done.
I don't know what you mean by saying happiness is atomical.
Character doesn't matter as much as action and their consequences. The important thing is doing the right thing, not being able to pat yourself on the back for being good.
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