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What is a free mason?? /need advice?

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Yes, I do know what you mean, yes, and I do share personal things on other boards, but it worked out well for me here, so far.

Thank you for taking my word on that. It's a nice change. Since you actually believe me, I'll post personal information.
I was saved during the Jesus Movement revival in 1971 at a non-denominational Assembly-of-God-like Church, the home church of the Christian rock band Petra and Honeytree, who may have been the first Contemporary Christian female vocalist to get a recording contract. Honeytree and I were roommates during high school, before either of us were saved.
I was baptised again by the head of the Assembly of God Student Center at a local University here in my hometown, late at night in a Church of Christ baptismal tank.
I saw there was a thread about Cornerstone festival and wanted to post there to ask someone to say hello to Larry Norman if he is there, but I lost my nerve.
 
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Freemasonry is founded on a simple principal; the brotherhood of man under the fatherhood of God. As such matters of religion are left up to the individual Mason, just as matters of politics are left up to his own beliefs.
Among the membership of Freemasonry is found the Christian, Muslim and Jew, as well as men of other monotheistic faith systems.

http://www.freemasoninfo.ca/christian.html

 
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That is so fantastic!! Are they still a Christian rock band?
I was baptised when I was twelve and again in my 30's because they were doing a baptismal in the river and I always wanted to be baptised in the river...weird,huh? What a great name..Honeytree. I am saving that to name the next addition to my family...that would be cat not child..LOL
 
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Freemasonry permits its members to be obligated on the book of their faith. This allows the Muslim Freemason to take his obligation on the Koran, the Jewish Mason on the Talmud etc. As Fundamentalists largely believe the King James Version of the Bible to be the only true holy book, it stands to reason that this Masonic practice would be in violation of their beliefs.

http://www.freemasoninfo.ca/christian.html
 
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No one is ever promised a sucessful business and many Masons aren't particularly sucessful financially; many Msons in this area are elderly and on fixed incomes and nursing homes have been established to care for them.

All you need to do was take the sacred oath, would you do it?
I promised not to reveal what takes place in a closed OES meeting and I've had no trouble keeping that promise. If it was a "sacred" oath, everyone forgot to mention it.

I've promised in the past not to reveal private information my friends tell me and will again in the future and I will try very hard to keep those promises.
 
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I asked you to bear witness of Christ because, as you can see in my post, I believe masons are sometimes mislead about the true light of the world. If you wern't saved I would have tried to help you. You are free to hate me for that if you want.

You certainly don't appear to be misled and thank God for that.

Do you say there is no way any masons can be misled by thier doctrines?
 
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sweetkitty said:

And I have done research thank you.
Then you know that Masonry is incompatible with Christianity.

  • Masonry approves of unlawful swearing - the taking of God's name in vain
  • Masonry claims the Bible is a 'symbol' - it contadicts the Nicene Creed.
  • God said 'I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place' (Is 45:19)
  • Jesus said 'In secret, I have said nothing' (Jn 18:20)
  • Masonry involves worship in masonic temples. This is not Christian worship. Secret masonic rituals are not worship in the name of Jesus.
Masonic oaths:
  • Are extra-judicial, hence contrary to the revealed Will of God
  • Make men swear to hidden things (check out Lev 5:4-5)
  • Bind men to mutilate their bodies
  • Bind men to partiality. Partiality is sin (Ja 2:4)
  • Bind men to sanction self-destruction and murder. Both are condemned in the word of God (1 Jn 3 - No murderer has eternal life abiding in him)
  • Bind men to hurt, persecute and slander those who leave the lodges. Persecution is not Christian (Matt 5 - 7)
  • Require men to deceive and lie. '...always to hail, ever to conceal, never to reveal' Can a good Christian always conceal the truth?
  • Bind men to protect lodge criminals
God bless you, and your husband.
 
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None of the things you listed are true..they are a lie.
 
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Yes, they are, although the last original member, Bob Hartman, who was also one of my teachers at the Bible Institute there, has retired from the band.

Honeytree is the translation of her German last name and this was a popular nicknaming practice among hippies. (Hippies were pushovers for the Gospel; they had already rejected the material world and were searching for something greater.)
She kept it as her professional name for that very reason that you would like to name your next kitty Honeytree.
I lost her e-mail addresses after my comp caught a virus and I had to reformat, but I will get them again and give you the one so you to get her newsletter.
You would enjoy her newsletters; she is an evangelist and is currently devoting herself to Central and South American fields. You would love her music, too.

You know, when I was in Israel, several of our group arranged to be baptised in the Jordan. I had no idea we were going to do that, so I missed out.
 
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Plan 9 said:
No one is ever promised a sucessful business and many Masons aren't particularly sucessful financially; many Msons in this area are elderly and on fixed incomes and nursing homes have been established to care for them.
The barriers of Masonic brotherhood:
  • No women
  • No children
  • Free men only
  • The Reputable only (Rule 186Ib - Every candidate must be in reputable circumstances)
  • The Literate only
Praise the Lord that Christianity is not so selective!
 
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Thanks for thinking of me for the newsletter,I'm sure I'll enjoy it
What is up with the smileys today?
 
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Thaddeus said:
I asked you to bear witness of Christ because, as you can see in my post, I believe masons are sometimes mislead about the true light of the world. If you wern't saved I would have tried to help you. You are free to hate me for that if you want.
I don't hate you and I'm not angry at you, either, but your post hurt me.
I'll get over it, though.

You certainly don't appear to be misled and thank God for that.
Oh, provisional acceptance. Forgive me, but that doesn't impress me much. After all, none of us can prove we are Christians, especially on a message board; that includes you, Thaddeus. No offence, but we can all easily learn to talk the talk, can't we?

Do you say there is no way any masons can be misled by thier doctrines?
Sweetkitty and I have both pointed out that you needn't be a Christian to be a Mason; you need only be a monotheist and I know people who are misled by the perfectly correct doctrines of their own churches because they do not understand them. I don't see the point to your question.
 
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From another thread:

 
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sweetkitty said:

Thanks for thinking of me for the newsletter,I'm sure I'll enjoy it
What is up with the smileys today?
It has lots of great pictures and accounts and is always uplifting. You get a real sense of the people to whom she ministers, because she always tells you how they've ministered to her in return. I've missed getting it myself.

I've been having touble with the smilies, too, but they seem to be working better now...
 
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JeffreyLloyd said:
From another thread:

Jeffrey, the Southern Baptist denomination did a careful investigation of Masonry and found no reason why their members shouldn't belong. Why don't you help out by finding the link to their report?
 
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Plan 9 said:
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Oh, provisional acceptance. Forgive me, but that doesn't impress me much.

I don't see the point to your question.
First of all I am sorry that you were hurt.

The Bible teaches us that all who claim Christ won't be saved and since I can't look into the hearts of man it was worded that way, but you are steadfast and for the record I truely believe you are saved. As a Christian I am grateful when others ask my about faith because it's good to be a witness for Christ.

I understand that anyone can be misled by a great many doctrines. The reason I entered this thread was because of concerns that I have already addressed. This thread is about freemasonry, so naturally I am focusing on the doctrines within that craft.
 
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Plan 9 said:
Jeffrey, the Southern Baptist denomination did a careful investigation of Masonry and found no reason why their members shouldn't belong. Why don't you help out by finding the link to their report?

Because I am not Southern Baptism anymore. The Holy Catholic Church also did a study and concluded:

"Therefore the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion."
 
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emmajane said:
The barriers of Masonic brotherhood:
  • No women
  • No children
  • Free men only
  • The Reputable only (Rule 186Ib - Every candidate must be in reputable circumstances)
  • The Literate only
Praise the Lord that Christianity is not so selective!
Pardon me, but I'm a woman and I belong to a Masonic organization called the Order of the Eastern Star.
There are also organizations specificaly for children: DeMolay for boys and Rainbow for girls.

We're basically talking about a club here and clubs tend to be a bit selective. If you want to join a bridge club, they will expect you to be able to play bridge and to play it.
You know, it's pretty hard to participate in most social activites if you can't read and you'll find that you must be able to read to hold most jobs, or else fake it pretty well.

I, too, am pleased that Christinaity is not a club, although I had to prove my "membership" here today, didn't I? Christians can be pretty clubbish.

The Scottish Rite Masons who were Union soldiers in the War Between the States were so impressed with the bravery of the Union "Buffalo Soldiers" that they offered them membership right on the front lines without even checking with their head dudes.
Many of these soldiers were, of course, escaped slaves.
 
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Another excellent post..you are on a roll today I want to put my sons into the DeMolay, I think they are about old enough now.
We went to Gettysburg one year..my hubby is from PA...and saw the statue of the two Masonic brothers that fought on opposite sides of the war...the Friend to Friend monument..what a sight!
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/friend_to_friend_monument.htm
 
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