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Where does the Bible state that those who are justified are Christians?
The only three times that the word is used it's used to describe believers. Believers are regenerate and justified.Where does the Bible state that those who are justified are Christians?
Exactly what I asked for in the OP. First the definition Christians use to determine who is and who is not a Christian. Second, Biblical proof of that definition. So far, I am only getting a few definitions. The Biblical support for those definitions/beliefs have yet to be provided.
Cool. Please start a thread and present your argument in support of Christianity.
Romans 8:30 ... "whom He justified, them He also glorified." And the JST mangles the verse substituting sanctified for justified... and NO manuscript supports Joseph's rewriting of the text.
The only three times that the word is used it's used to describe believers. Believers are regenerate and justified.
Actually, it does. They are the knew regenerated and justified.I'm fine with you using the term believers. Of course, that automatically includes a definition that involves believing.
Still, a statement that believers are regenerated and justified still doesn't define what is and what is not a believer.
That isn't an argument or challenge of a Christian theology, belief or practice. It looks like you are just looking for clarification as to what a Christian is, not that you have an argument to present.
What is your argument against Christianity? I'm not seeing a clear argument presented.
Actually, it does. They are the knew regenerated and justified.
I am challenging what Christians believe about what makes a person a Christian. I don't know how anything could be more on topic than that? It addresses the very nature of Christianity. Even God stated I AM. A statement that defines His nature. I get that the frustration level has gone up here because Christians are unable to provide Biblical support for their beliefs on who and who is not a Christian, but that doesn't make it any less of a challenge. It just means that excuses are being paraded into the discussion to cover the fact that these beliefs are not Biblical.
Christians, I.E. the representatives of Christianity on this forum, routinely make statements of belief as to who is and who is not a Christian. I have listed a couple examples of this in the thread so far. I am challenging the Christians on this forum to support their claims with verses from the Bible. The most common belief that has been presented to me is that any person who does not believe in the Nicene Creed is not a Christian (or some variant of that). I want proof that a Christian is defined by any of the methods that have been routinely trotted out here.
Unless you are admitting that these are not Christian beliefs at all, but man made beliefs being presented as Christian beliefs. Is that where you're going with this?
I also have a question. The rules state:
"As a general guide for posting topics, non-Christians who are challenging Christianity should offer arguments as to why Christian beliefs are incorrect or untrue."
Rather than start with a specific argument as to why Christian beliefs are incorrect can I post a question to get the Christian belief on a topic first and then proceed to offer my arguments as to why I find them incorrect?
Sojourner1 said:We are going to leave the SoP as it is right now and make adjustments in the future if needed.
Ran77 said:How does the Bible define a Christian? From what I can tell this forum reflects the thoughts of the majority of Christianity as to what is required in order to be accepted as a Christian. But is that Biblical?
Rann77 said:Will it help if I define a Christian? Because I am capable of doing that. Or is that against the rules?
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